Having given the dust time to settle from last week’s EGM, I think it’s now appropriate to turn our attention to the big three issues facing UKIP over the next few months. They are (at least for me):
- Internal elections.
- Great Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).
- Constitutional reform.
Internal elections are relatively straightforward – we’ve been running them for years.
This time, we may be facing two sets of overlapping elections. I say may for two reasons: Firstly, a “unity” leadership candidate may come forward, and no other candidates stand against him/her. This is not inconceivable – Nigel was re-elected unopposed in the run-up to the 2015 election, having turned down the offer of an extension of office. The second reason is that the returning officer(s) may decide to run both elections at the same time.
As ever, the primary point of consideration is what the constitution says – this trumps anything the NEC or an EGM might decide. Two clauses are relevant:
“7.5: [a leadership] election shall be held within 90 days of the completion of the Leader’s term of office.”
In practise, this is 90 days from 17th Feb, making it ~18th May.
One third of the NEC would normally have been elected in November, but in this instance, 6.11 was invoked:
“In exceptional circumstances the NEC may extend the periods of office of retiring members for a period not exceeding six months.”
This was specifically at the request of Bolton, so they could decide if they wanted to revise the way they were elected, e.g. proportional and/or regional representation. In fact, this proves to be a very good example of the NEC giving the leader what he wants!
Again, in practise, this means NEC elections by the end of April. This means two options present themselves. Either:
- Bring forward the leadership election date by a couple of weeks, or:
- Accept that the retiring members would be unable to vote on any business passing between the 1st and the 18th May.
Since the NEC only has to meet six times a year at most, and seven voting members including the chairman provide a valid quorum for normal business, neither of these options seems particularly disastrous.
Under BB of the rule book, which will probably, for cost reasons, be utilised for the first time, having two questions and sets of candidates on the same ballot paper is easy – a training example for NEC, ROs, MEPs etc. and now for readers can be found here.
This also has the benefit of eliminating manual counts – the last NEC election with 91 candidates was a logistical nightmare, and spilled over into a second day (I suspected this so didn’t bother attending day one).
For those without interweb skills or the assistance of family/friends/colleagues, I do concede that listening to a very long list of names on a Freephone number with a dialect more Dalek than speaking clock is a chore – real actor voices are only used for lists of ~6 candidates or less – but then we should be looking at getting fewer, and better candidates to stand in the first place. And the pretty-much-unlimited extra space provided by an electronic ballot paper – see example above – will help those talented candidates get their message across (including award, commendation and degree certificate screenshots, if necessary).
Cost wise, on the one hand, we would need to mail the pin codes to members with the associated cost and Simply Voting’s charges – but on the other hand, your’re facing mailing out multiple ballot papers, along with Independence magazine and the costs of a manual count – so hopefully EV will prove to be significantly cheaper, a big boon in our current straights.
The second key issue facing us in the run-up to May is the Great Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). A good introduction can be found here.
I have written a 6 page “Janet and John” for the Tec Sub-committee and NEC which is too detailed for here, but suffice it to say we are impacted in a big way:
- Websites – national, regional, branch and MyUKIP will need to change.
- There will be implications for branches with paper membership forms in dusty filing cabinets.
- There will need to be an audit of the national and local databases.
- Anyone we share information with, e.g. printers, will need to be informed when our information changes.
- We will need to delete information held, on request.
- Etc. etc.
I had hoped that we would be well on the way to meeting our obligations with no fuss, but then, “Events…” as Macmillan said. Nevertheless, this should now be a priority, and I hope that there will be a communication to members as soon as practicable.
The final point for discussion in the near future is reform of the constitution. Whilst I agree changes are necessary, and even beneficial, two key points need to be borne in mind.
The first is that there are usually higher priorities, for example, addressing the detailed needs of GDPR, above, to meet the required legal deadline should very much take priority over constitutional change – and anyone who disagrees is welcome to indemnify us against any resulting fines!
The other point is that a change everyone thinks is good is not always as simple as it first might seem. Take, for the example, the un-controversial (?) proposal that postal voting should have been allowed at the EGM. What is the point of having a physical EGM? It’s to allow both sides to make a reasoned argument, for and against the no-confidence motion, and then for members to make an informed decision as a result. I, for one, agree with those believe that Henry’s performance on the day lost him the still-undecided vote.
I was in Eastleigh the week before Diane James lost to the Lib-Dens, and it was clear that the (early) postal votes had swung it – they conceded our momentum was such that another week would have carried us over the victory line.
So imagine if people had voted early on the no-confidence motion, and significant new facts came out that could have swung it a different way? And what’s the point of a physical meeting when votes already cast have decided the way the die is cast? That is why talk of “allowing postal votes” at the EGM is misguided – you either have postal, including electronic voting, as per BB, or you have a physical meet-up in the biggest, most convenient venue possible, – but NOT both.
This is just one minor example of how carefully constitutional changes need to be thought out – most members will not be lawyers, and will be unable to spot the pitfalls of seemingly harmless “improvements”.
In conclusion, with all the personnel changes, voting changes and procedural changes that the next few months necessitate, I recommend that we let these all bed-in, and defer from discussing further constitution change until at least early summer. Then, we can hopefully set aside the time and effort to try and get things right.
Will our 6th constitution be perfect? No. Will it satisfy all factions? No. But at least it will be a further step on the asymptotic route there.
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55 Comments on “WHERE TO NOW?”
John B. Has someone looking into it as a priority, and I await feedback, but don’t disagree with your points…
Dear Stout
I think we should be fair to the editorial team who only censor under extreme circumstances. UKIPD remains the best forum, albeit with current site issues and, again, they are being gradually resolved… Keep Buggering On Sir !
I can see that Debbie isn’t duty ed, today ?
Thanks, Tomaž.
Matthew Richardson was unambiguously clear that e-voting is allowed.
As for pins, for this election, if it’s electronic, they won’t be on membership cards – plan is for a one-off generation mailed out with the rubrics, but I need to see what the nec decided yesterday…
I suggested (c) last time on this site, and people rounded on me as undemocratic!
As for non-philandering, would that prevent Nigel’s return? ?
I do not believe thete are five duds on the nec.
I think (c) is essentially implied by the Constitution since the Leader cannot receive a salary (despite Bolton having been paid a “stipend” which was completely against the rules but that’s what you get for having a Treasurer who is a politician who thinks rules don’t apply to him if he uses a different word for the same thing).
Henry’s “stipend” is another example of the NEC helping the leader rather than thwarting him!
For the avoidance of doubt, folks, I am NOT going to agree, whatever the circumstances, that the oarty should knowingly and intentionally fail tomprepare for the GDPR.
https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2018/01/carphone-warehouse-fined-400-000-after-serious-failures-placed-customer-and-employee-data-at-risk/
I am with you Rob, but surely both concerns can be handled at the same time?
I thnk you will find GDPR preparation, and the short deadline, May 25th, very onerous.
But I am willing to be proved wrong…
CK,
That is very interesting, I thought it was a bit strange that we had not heard anything, what is the point of appointing a leader who is not allowed to lead?
Comrade Keith
Great post.
Absolutely tell us all those two names, Gerard.
Having actually done something well – is the NEC now reverting to reputation as pains in the backside and spanner in all works.
Hope not.
Names please and reasons…….
I have real faith in Gerard as have many of us.
If he proposes, the NEC can darn well stop opposing – because our loyalty is to our new leader, thanks. and one most of us like very much.
Name them NEC or the shame is on you.
Too much secrecy in the past – lets be open now.
I think it VERY unlikely Gerard would discuss candidate chairmen by email, ahead of Monday’s meeting… ?
I too would like to know more about the facts on this subject.
Were two nominees for post of chair rejected by the NEC ?
If so, which two nominees were rejected ?
What were the reasons for their rejections ?
Will any NEC member come back to UKIP Daily to answer these questions ?
I won’t be putting in a FOI request along with a £1 coin.
Simple questions I guess I will not learn the answers to.
It underlines the reasons and points made by Frederica about not re-joining.
The NEC do not discuss chairmanships by email a few days before they are due to meet in person!
We all know emails leak…
Thanks Rob,
Sorry you had to repeat yourself.
Viv, sign in problem now fixed.
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I knew Chas would do his utmost to fix things.
I’m sure some of this stuff mentioned needs to be done, but blimey!
Meanwhile brexit is not happening, loss of members, no money in the bank.
Might this time be better spent fighting local elections to actually make a difference.
Your living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this is what needs to be done next
Legal fines land if we don’t!
Dear Emily,
The leadership and NEC elections are a constitutional requirement. No-one can trump that.
GDPR compliance is a legal requirement, and we will be fined if we fail to comply.
As for constitutional reform, I agree it needs to be on the back burner for now.
Shadow cabinets etc. are a matter for the new leader – hence the need to get the elction out the way.
All necessary housekeeping, I’m afraid.
Rob I admire your work but is that reply really necessary in this situation.
If you were at Dunkirk would you be the one standing on the beech telling the soldiers your not allowed on the boats until you can produce a valid swim test certificate. “Hey I don’t make the rules”
We’re not the ones who define GDPR compliance, and our many enemies would live to use it to finish us off!
Sorry, Emily, I agree it would be good if noone stands against Gerard – I covered that above, but GDPR is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT, and anyone on the NEC, or standing for the NEC who thinks it can be ignored is asking for trouble.
Then lets find out who is.
Hands up please!
Anyone dare?
With the party in the state it is.
Lets see who you are…….
Emily – snotty Tories? At Newton Abbott? If you move to the Midlands you will need to get new staff – what about the magnificent ladies in Devon? They have already seen both numbers and their pay cut yet they worked their socks off for the recent EGM. Kirstan Herriot already commutes to the big smoke to work part time for David Kurten AM.
At least it’s not London – and London prices. And there are ordinary working folk and EU persecuted fishermen down thaar too you know.
Not electoral commission, but information commissioners office, ICO – the new law affects everyone, not just people litical parties.
I note that Flossie is AWOL from UKIP.ORG ?
I understand that Gerard will be making an announcement at 1pm.
Can you tell us where we can watch it, please?
Testing Testing 123….Does the site work yet…
Of course it does!
OK, some little alterations needed, so you might still hear some hammering in the background, but meanwhile, the roof is on, the walls are up and newly decorated (smell the fresh paint everywhere?) and the floors are secure and polished.
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And a much better easier to use typing box for comments ???
Viv, I have found that the sign in boxes all appear in capitals and it doesn’t keep signed in from one reply to another. Are you aware of this?
Thanks, Alec – no, I wasn’t. I’ll forward this to Chas, who does want to hear any and all complaints so he can tweak things. If he doesn’t know, he can’t do anything about it.
Sorry Viv this was information that I got from Tony McIntyre’s wife. He travelled to London early this morning. I have looked at the news channels but too many stories about Corbyn, Conservatives etc.
Of course the NEC meeting could have overrun!
Thanks!
I’m sure we’ll all get a message from Gerard if this is about what I think it is …
Yes you are on the right lines.
NEC meetings normally start with the “state opening of the sandwiches” at around 1pm…
Thanks Rob it could be that members were delayed as well due to the weather.