BREAKING – BREAKING – BREAKING
UKIP National Executive Council member Elizabeth Jones has been completely exonerated of any involvement with an alleged incident in Bookmarks Bookshop, London, last Saturday (4th August).
A precautionary suspension was imposed on Ms Jones following false accusations made against her on social media on Monday, 6th August.
UKIP Chairman Tony McIntyre launched an immediate and comprehensive investigation of Ms Jones and two days after her temporary suspension, he lifted her suspension and fully reinstated her into the Party.
“There is absolutely no evidence at all of Ms Jones having any knowledge of, or involvement in the actions which allegedly took place inside the bookshop,” Chairman McIntyre said in an official UKIP Statement issued today (Wednesday 8th August).
“Ms Jones just happened to be in the approximate central London area solely because she had attended an unconnected event earlier that Saturday afternoon. I am delighted to absolve Elizabeth totally, and welcome her back in the fold. I only regret we had to suspend her initially, however briefly this has been, due to the false allegations made against her.”
Elizabeth learned of the news in the early hours this morning (Wednesday 8th August). She issued the following statement:
“I am deeply grateful to our Chairman Tony McIntyre for expediting his investigation and upholding the truth in his findings in my favour so I can carry on serving UKIP. I have nothing further to say, as this matter had nothing to do with me in the first place.”
I find it odd that nowhere does it seem to be mentioned whether or not EJ and LNJ are related, I read on Facebook that she is his aunt but you can’t believe all that is written there. Given how often their names are mentioned in the same sentence this should at least be clarified, and, e.g. where LNJ interviews her and she is acting in an official capacity then the relationship should be disclosed (assuming there is any relationship). They do seem to work together a lot and I recall seeing an interview he did with her on Henry… Read more »
Before the incident, I’d asked both of them individually. One replied enigmatically. The other said no. It isn’t our business unless one was involved in, say, party discipline proceedings against the other.
Tony McIntyre has dealt with this properly. At our recent UKIP Branch meeting we were shown the Video – taken and posted by a participant – from which we could only identify Luke NJ. We agreed the ‘demo’ outside BookMarx (I think that is the name?) was crass, the invasion and disruption inside was unnacceptable and we sent a resolution to Tony M stating this and that he consider suspension and disciplinary action in regard to UKIP members involved. We also wondered if Luke and Martin’s ‘MBGA’ is in effect a separate organisation/ party and may be in breach of… Read more »
Hi Tony is that Tony Sharp!
Hello if it is it’s Kevin Bav,
Good to see you here !
Do call me ( you know how to get my number ) and lets have a chat Sir !
Mediocracy or mediacracy.
I have seen the video evidence of this and there is absolutely no question that she was Party to the disgraceful events. How far will Ukip executive stoop to protect it’s own, the gutter it seems.
Freddy ( London Regional Charman ) has investigated this in great detail . I have studied his evidence too. He has stated that although Liz was in the general area (which she herself says) , she was certainly out of earshot of the impromptu Bookmarks invasion as it developed. Liz is active – unlike many in the NEC- and certainly does go to protests . She is also very well educated and culturally aware, and not the sort of person to condone behaviour like this.
The judgement exonerating her is therefore a sound one.
I, too, have viewd the video in detail, and it’s a similar but different woman in a red dress. I have screenshots that will prove it beyond doubt if necessary.
Indeed. Additionally, where EJ appears momentarily in the background, she is not only far out of earshot of the conspiratorial tongue-wagging, but is engrossed in conversation with a wholly different person from the “BBC” event of hours earlier. EJ’s interlocutor has draped a yellow flag that had been deployed there at that event; this lady is also wholly unaware of and unconnected with subsequent unfortunate bookshop goings-on. EJ’s demeanour – not even a glance in the direction of the roving all over the place camera – strongly suggests she has no knowledge at all of what is about to go… Read more »
What strong language… Mr Greatorex, you are mistaken. In fact, such evidence as there is in the offending video is not merely “not supportive” of charges against Elizabeth Jones – it is, if anything, exculpatory of her. Yes, exculpatory. Tell me the offset(s) (as in mm:ss) in the video(s) where you think there’s evidence to the contrary, and I’ll show you why you’re mistaken. Were you aware that there was a pre-planned, unrelated to UKIP, uneventful rally earlier that afternoon, in a public place 12-15 minute walk from the bookshop? Photographs/videos were taken at that rally, including of Elizabeth Jones.… Read more »
Yes I believe you should notify the police if you have any information concerning a person or persons involved in such activities as you describe. It is in fact your public duty to do so. Threats and intimidation are also taken quite seriously by the upholders of Law and order. The truth will come out eventually so let us wait and see.
Sigh. You still don’t get it, do you?
You made the accusation with certainty.
W h e r e i s t h e e v i d e n c e ?
I will wager good money she takes you to the cleaners in a libel action. How’s Henry’s new party doing, btw? ?
> ” The truth will come out eventually so let us wait and see.”
You didn’t wait and see, Mr Greatorex.
You must have great confidence in the generosity of Miss Jones and her unwillingness to take you to the cleaners.
I find all these references to libel most disconcerting in a party that is supposed to be all for free speech. Let Barrie say what he wants then discuss him and ridicule his argument, that’s fine. But why always pull out this ‘oh now you are going to get libelled’ card. And in fact the High Court has ruled that anything said in discussion boards can only be slander, not libel. And to get any damages for slander you need to demonstrate actual economic losses.
Tacitus: You are confusing – many do, though I can’t imagine why – the right to free speech and the right of redress to those basely wronged by the exercise of free speech. This is, indeed, nothing to do with free speech. No police or thought-police actions or prosecutions are going to be triggered by this. This is, however, all to do with not spreading falsehood. Whether the spreader is motivated to tell malicious lies or not, or is merely “severely misinformed” and perhaps having poor eyesight, is irrelevant. Also, Tacitus, I fear you have failed read the detail of… Read more »
As opera fans will know, being smuggled in a suitcase is very Marxist!
Seriously UKIP men haven’t been that risqué since Neil Hamilton was photographed in a basque and fishnet stickings! As Freddy says, Great Stuff ?
What’s next to leak? A photo of Priapus (almost) uncovered?
Mr Greatorex, maybe with the help of all-seeing google, the innocent person’s employer has apparently seen your comment and your guarantee that you have proof of her guilt. She is under investigation and suspension because of it. As a solicitor in practice, there are also repercussions to her The daily loss to her is mounting. You, in part, are the cause thereof. Do you intend to: – provide the proof you wrote that there was “absolutely no question” you had – unconditionally retract and unreservedly apologise in full here, or – provide your address so that the law can take… Read more »
You people seem to be afraid of your own shadows. Do you think the far left would have the slightest hesitation about storming into and trashing a UKIP bookshop? It was a mob of Labour-backed thugs, some of them Labour Party officials, who were intimidating, spitting at and assaulting people outside the Lewisham East hustings. Has Labour suspended them pending an inquiry? Of course not. It’s proud of them, closing down the opposition. Mission accomplished as far as they’re concerned. I’m not condoning violent conduct or suggesting UKIP emulate Labour’s tactics. But carrying on as if UK politics were still… Read more »
We could set one up and find out. A booby -trap.
Why waste the money? Imagine, a UKIP-linked bookshop full of right wing books in central London with two inoffensive UKIP staff in it. It would get trashed the very first day it opened and the lefties would be crowing about it and posting videos of their actions all over the internet, wouldn’t they? Do you think the Labour Party would be suspending its members and launching investigations like UKIP has?
Im sure you are right Keith, but this is a world post 1984, where might is right. UKIP “won” the Referendum i.e. it beat the opposition . Who were the opposition? The combined forces of all the parliamentary legacy bodies, the combined forces of the MSM, The combined forces of the majority of the establishment including the church and possibly the law and many of the Trades unions who were supposedly meant to represent the interests of their workers. It was a classic case of the dog wagging the tail Retribution was sure to follow, just as Obama had sought… Read more »
Spot on, Roger.
We are held by the media to far higher standards than are the other mainstream parties. A cross we shall bear.
Using how the Labour Party might comport itself as a guide to acceptable conduct is… can’t think of anything polite enough to say here.
So we must take it extremely seriously, even though this “stupid-prank-gone-badly-wrong” had nothing more to do with UKIP other than several misguided participants were members.
UKIP is only held to account by the media if it allows itself to be. The collective cringe to a gobsmackingly biased media needs to stop. Instead of instant suspensions and apologies, why couldn’t UKIP have instead said, “We will comment on this once Labour has commented on the spitting, violent, Labour-backed mob that closed down the Lewisham East hustings”, and refused to comment further or take any action until they did? The media would have had to choose between carrying that comment (and thus mention for the first time what happened in Lewisham East) or letting the matter drop.
I expected the contrast between the bookshop stunt with the carefully pre-planned disruption of the Lewisham East hustings to be made, and I can see where you’re coming from, Keith. However, I also see the relevance of the Overton Window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window . Virtually none of the media would report any comparison. Such sections of the press that would are either not read except by those who already think that way (e.g., Breitbart) and/or would have the article rejected by most of the public. It is still somewhere between “unthinkable” and “radical” that those “calling out for an end to racism”… Read more »
That is good news – I had heard that Liz wasn’t at the bookshop and said to people that is what a suspension and enquiry is for and if Liz was not involved then that will out and she will be exonerated. Delighted and relieved to hear that due process has worked.
Yes, due process worked. And UKIP takes these things very seriously indeed, and has to be seen to be taking them very seriously indeed. Liz was wearing a bright red dress on the day and had been photographed at the anti-BBC Bias event in the vicinity a few hours earlier. One of the persons who entered the bookshop in the video was a lady, nothing to do with UKIP, wearing a similar bright red dress and her height, build and hair colour vaguely approximate those of Liz. The similarity ended there, but the juddery, shaky video may have helped confuse… Read more »
Re Freddy’s research. I’m glad we FINALLY have a senior party officer talk about what I had to self-censor about today (Sponplague’s advice taken seriously) . Freddy, not for the first time, has hit the nail on the head. This is a serious issue, and I believe very strongly that we have to take the media to task directly to put our position across. Lets face it ….Luke and Martin cocked up, and Liz was lucky not to be caught in the storm…. BUT…. Luke and Martin are butterflies who MUST NOT be broken on the wheel. I’m not saying… Read more »
Re the outrageous events of Saturday August 4 in Central London: UKIP London unreservedly condemns any form of: – bad manners, and – rowdyism, and – disrespect of private property rights, including those relating the tort of trespass and the right of a shopkeeper to eject unwanted visitors from his shop, and – criminal conduct. We are committed to the freedom of expression of views, whether or not we agree with them. ~~~~~ Elizabeth Jones had no involvement whatsoever in the incident. No. Involvement. Whatsoever. Brave souls in the press and media who assert otherwise may wish to note that… Read more »
“disrespect of private property rights, including those relating the tort of trespass and the right of a shopkeeper to eject unwanted visitors from his shop, and”
should have read:
“disrespect of private property rights, including those relating to the tort of trespass and the right of a shopkeeper to eject unwanted visitors from his shop, and”
Great news. What I heard on the grapevine the trouble in the bookshop was from someone dressed up to look like a Trump supporter? MI5 or lefty political activist and agitator false flag event? I leave that for you to decide.
Per my research, that person is not a member of UKIP, has not been a member of UKIP and has no connection to UKIP.
I have done a little research since my last comment and the crowd were with Luke Nash Jones and his sidekick holding Anti-Facebook banners. What they did was meant to be a stunt and a laugh on the Communist bookshop, but a rather stupid stunt in my view. The crowd were meant to hold back on the pavement 20 yards away while LNJ and 2 others slid into the shop hiding their MBGA hats, but instead the crowd barged in after them after a brief interlude. No one was hurt except some feelings. It’s not the kind of thing that… Read more »
> No one was hurt except some feelings You may be technically right about “hurt”, but the bookshop manager did receive an unprovoked and deliberate shove. It is on the video. Also, an inexpensive placard belonging to the shop was deliberately torn. And that is on the video too – as I stated, I have gone through the video, frame by painful frame. But neither of these specified outrages were committed by a UKIP member, ex-member or anyone associated with UKIP. I condemn both of those, and overall condemn the “stupid stunt” (your description – I agree) as it was… Read more »
It was a cock-up. Albeit awkward. No one needs to hang, and I’m sure that the management of Bookmarks would agree. But we have to apologise, and without conditions. Lets not be shy to admit a wrong, and lets not be shy to debate our political foes, with all respects due.
> But we have to apologise
Wrong. Apologise for what? “We” (UKIP) didn’t do anything. Any more than you did, or I did.
The Bookmarks bookshop is just that, As a UCL student I frequented it often. its a bookshop ! A specialist one !
The guys who run it are keen socialists , but sane and nice people FFS !!!
GO THERE and see for yourselves.
My goodness, God help us if ever we lose bookshops like this. Britain will be a sad and nightmarish place.
Do I have to join their day of solidarity to make my bloody point?
I agree with you Bav, it is the left, the establishment and the one world corporatists who want to shut down debate and free speech. UKIP must never, ever behave like the low life that recently vandalised Jacob Rees- Mogg’s property or be seen to associate with such types.
We must the ones who fly the flag for freedom and free speech which means we respect those who want to study socialist or communist dogma and the right of those who swallow it to believe in it. That’s true democracy.
I’m not sure the population of Venezuela would agree that socialists are sane people. A dozen eggs currently costs £120. Why would it be sad and nightmarish to lose a bookshop like this, whilst a right wing bookshop would be destroyed in minutes? What greater right to existence do socialist bookshops have?
Kindly Mr Bav is more sympathetic to and indulgent towards socialists than I am. However, like with most things, there’s a spectrum of socialists. I doubt the bookshop ones belong to the rabid end of it; more towards the “sadly and severely misguided”. At university and thereafter, while often very friendly to me, socialists refused to enter into public debate with me. I fully understood why. ? But it didn’t help convert them to sanity. It is rather like a religion to them. They didn’t enter it using logic, and therefore logic can’t be used to economically extract them. Teaching… Read more »