Well, I didn’t expect to be writing my first article of the new year so soon, but as I have had past experience with EGMs, leadership/NEC fall-outs, and constitutional drafting, Viv has asked me to don my gypsy garb and try and interpret the recent NEC statement – taken with the constitution, it’s quite a heady brew! As I write, to set me in the mood, I’m listening to Carmen – an, erm, tale of a soldier who leaves his childhood sweetheart for a hot-blooded young girl who chews him up and spits him out when done – it didn’t end well. (Here’s a video clip of the Habenera!) So here goes…
Firstly, and most significantly, circumstances are very different from 2000, the last time we were in a similar mess. The constitution has been through several major revisions (all ratified by the membership), and this time, the NEC are (currently) validly within terms of office, so are actually capable of being quorate and able to vote on matters.
The NEC statement, which can be found here, says in part:
“It was agreed to defer the discussion to a special NEC meeting, which has been called for ten days time.”
Normally, NEC meetings are held on the first Monday of every month – Nigel liked Monday meetings, and the regularity made it easy for those with a long distance to travel to plan ahead. An extra meeting, such as this one, involves booking a conference room in a central area at short notice, and arranging for ~16 people to be available, bearing in mind necessary quorums etc. As this is irregular, it seems tailored to meet the requirements of:
“6.23.1 A motion of no confidence in the Party Leader may be proposed before the NEC. In order for it to pass, no less than nine members of the NEC shall vote in favour of the motion. The Party Chairman shall have a casting vote in the normal way.”
And:
“6.23.2 The Party Leader shall be given no less than seven days’ notice in writing of the meeting. He shall be entitled to attend, to address and vote at the meeting. He may make written representations to the meeting. He may question any member or other witness whose evidence is considered by the NEC as being relevant to the issue on the same basis as any other party and may call witnesses on his own behalf on the same basis as obtained during the case against him.”
Should said meeting decide to hold a vote of no confidence, they would not realistically want to take a “See you again in another seven days” attitude, so I expect that the vote has already been called – it only takes a proposer and seconder, and we know that at least two NEC members have published their disapproval on Facebook.
Given the expense and inconvenience of calling such a meeting, and the state of our funds, it’s reasonable to conclude that there is, following Monday’s regular meeting, an expectation that such a vote is likely to proceed – otherwise they could have issued a statement to the effect that discipline processes (bringing the party into disrepute?) were wending their tortuous way, and would report to the next regular NEC meeting (first week of February).
It is, of course, by no means certain that the motion will pass. Henry might give a brilliant oration, convincing key players. Unexpected travel problems might render the meeting inquorate – and Monday’s attendees might have caught the treasurer’s Aussie flu, which laid him low for three miserable weeks! If however, a quorate NEC votes against Henry, and assuming he declines to fall on his sword (remember Nigel is backing him, on the “any publicity” principle, and he himself has, erm, previous in the area of mistresses), then the next step is an EGM:
“6.23.4 In the event of a motion of no confidence in the Party Leader being passed by the NEC, the Party Secretary shall call an EGM of members of the Party, such EGM to be held within 28 days of the passing of the motion. The NEC may from time to time make Rules as to the conduct of such an EGM. The EGM shall have as its only business a motion to endorse or to reject the vote of no confidence in the Leader by the NEC.”
Ten days from last Monday is Thursday 18th, which means that any EGM would need to be held by Thursday 15th February at the latest. You don’t want the sight of voters being turned away at the door, so you need a large venue coupled with maximum opportunity for attendance – the ideal might be Saturday 10th Feb at Methodist Central Hall, or similar – if someone could be found to sub the expensive hall-hire costs.
We all know what will be discussed, but, sorry, EGM fans from last year – nothing else makes the agenda. And there can only be one of two outcomes:
Either we get another leadership election, or we get an election for the whole NEC. (3 4-year terms, 3 2-year terms, and 3 1-year terms, ranked on most votes). The existing NEC would stay in office under the ballot was over.
For a leadership election in those circumstances, the following points should be noted:
- The Interim leader should not be a candidate themselves.
- Whoever stands will need to ideally be self-financing, (and not relying on the missus, or generous donors!)
- Nothing stops Henry (apart from deposit?) from standing again.
- If Henry stands and wins, the NEC (see above) are all up for election.
- The election must be held within 90 days, max, but there is nothing to stop the NEC from attempting to hold it in under 28 days, so 4.1.2 would apply, and entryists following the EGM would be legally disenfranchised. (Otherwise a load of mischief makers could join in order to re-elect Henry!)
- Nigel might decide he “needs to return to SAVE BREXIT and UKIP!” and other candidates might thus be “invited” to step-aside, in which case there would be no need for an election and a considerable cost saving.
Whichever way this pans out, I can confidently predict the following:
- Our enemies will have a heyday.
- There will be calls for urgent constitutional and rulebook reform.
- The relationship difficulties between NEC and leader (both are validly elected by the membership) will continue.
So, who wins: NEC, leader, or baying social media? Place your bets…
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48 Comments on “Reading the Tea Leaves”
Oh and by the way I can`t stand that “Yorkshire” hat he ponces down the street in.
Part of the “Pied Piper outfit” he used to wear Green Jacket and yellow trousers – that little game ended in a mess if I remember correctly!
Yorkshire?
t`wat (Rhyming slang for hat)
A mid-life crisis? I thought that was Henry ?
It’s everyone now. I think we’re entitled.
Now Nigels’s calling for a 2nd referendum!
https://order-order.com/2018/01/11/farage-calls-second-referendum/#disqus_thread
He always was a mixed blessing.
He already has his place in history in getting and winning the Referendum. On the form of EU re-runs this is a highly irresponsible thing to have gone and said.
Quercus – you are right, he was always a mixed blessing. He got the referendum on the table and we won it. Thank-you a thousand times Nigel. But I don’t know what possessed the man to make the suggestion of a second referendum. And how about a third referendum? And a fourth possibly?
Thank you hugely again Nigel for leading UKIP, but it really is time to ride off into the sunset now is this is your idea of being helpful.
Well said Q and good to see you back.
Hello Jack.
Even got Pam at it too!
You haven’t changed Dee. Thank goodness!!!
John – x
An interesting article here, particularly the bit about “Nigel Farage leader of UKIP and Nick Griffin of the BNP both work for the EU. ”
eutruth.org.uk/eucontrolstructure
I wonder? Things are often not what they seem when taken at face value.
Something else that looks a wee bit suspicious and may bear out my feeling that NF doesn’t want someone else to make a success of UKIP.
The article Gerard Batten put up yesterday resulted in many calls for him to lead the party and shows how popular he is. Indeed, had I read an article like that a few days ago I might still be a member. Funny how Nigel’s statement came soon after Gerard’s article.
In get more suspicious with each day that passes.
Regards
I have, for some time, been having unfortunate suspicions about Nigel Farage. This simply compounds them. I no longer trust him.
The choices on the ballot paper would be those most likely to ensure continued membership of the EU.
This block belongs in a separate article, surely, EDs?
This block belons in a second article, surely, EDs?
My head is spinning with all this. Can it be a coincidence that he does this just after the no-confidence motion is proposed? Could it be that he already had this idea in his mind and grabbed the chance now to return as leader and save UKIP? Although everyone is exhausted, surely another referendum is something that would bring the party together again. Who knows, I can’t understand. Every newspaper is leading with this, the remoaners will have a field day…. why?
One of my prophecies already coming true:
Nigel might decide he “needs to return to SAVE BREXIT and UKIP!” ??
You better tell us now what other prophecies you have
See my reply to Dee, above.
Regards
It’s just been on the ITV Early Evening News as well now.
WE could call it UKIP.DISORG
“The headline number for new top level domains is $185,000, the price of submitting an application. But domain registries also pay ongoing fees to ICANN each quarter. Amazingly, what exactly those fees are is up for debate. and December 31) of the year to an account designated by ICANN.Jul 24, 2012”
If someone buys .disorg and starts a business selling the 2nd level domains, that could be a nice little earner! Brexit.disorg anyone? ?
Our pettifogging rulebook is useless, the rule on interim leaders not being able to stand particularly risible.
The NEC should launch a coup on behalf of the membership, appoint a leader who in their opinion is likely to command most support and who’ll take it on (preferably Gerard but anybody but Crowther).
And then re-constitute itself on a regional basis, with the old unique logo restored, leadership election and new constitution vote in due course if there’s still a membership left.
Forget the MSM’s field day. They’re having that every day anyway.
It’s not the rule book, it’s legal advice on ethics and best practise, as the interim leader would have a much higher profile than the other candidates.
And I used the term “should not”, rather than “must not”…
Best practice Rob?! I’m not aware other parties burden themselves with this nicety, or at least they’re not so stupid to get themselves in our position.
Don’t call him/her ‘interim leader’ then, just ‘leader’. We should be holding leadership elections every one or two years anyway (simple return to HO, none of that EC malarkey till we’re much bigger.)
What matters here is getting the best person into the job tootsweet – and common sense says ditch the ban on standing.
The legalistic approach will very likely just lead to another sub-optimal outcome. In this crisis, profile or lack of it is hardly the biggest consideration.
I have no objection to an interim leader standing for election – provided we could be sure that the other candidates, or their supporters, would not be able to legally challenge it – we can’t afford that sort of thing…
Rob our country is in a mess and getting into a bigger mess every day. UKIP is a state of complete disorganisation and failure. If there ever was a time to say stuff the rule book, immediate action needs taking to save the party, so that voters have a true protest vote available in May, that time is now.
Erratum – I was essaying after a long day – “four three year terms, four two year terms, and four one year terms” if the nec is up for election.
I too, despair about the accuracy of the nec pages online, but there are higher priorities for now.
I, or a colleague, will write more on ukip.org later in Q1.
As regarding votes, there are 12 elected members, two elected rep votes, leader, and chairman’s casting vote.
I’m curious about these higher priorities, because as the head of the ‘Technical Committee’ you first acknowledged this problem about 2 months ago, since then you have spent a lot of time on this website, but nothing done about getting a very basic point correct. Surely if you took a break from this site for a day then you could solve this. Don’t worry, while you aren’t here I’m sure John B will cover for you ?
I’m no longer head since I came off the NEC, and someone else is working on it. Expected an update on ukip.org soon, but, in the meantime, updating the nec page isn’t for me urgent – perhaps if the missing NEC members themselves did some lobbying on their own behalf then matters might improve? ?
I have chased an update.
It’s on the list if things that our IT bod Chris Mendes (Ukip member) is doing for us. He’s doing it gratis so we have to be grateful & accept that he can only give us the time he is able to.
Thanks for the prompt clarification.
I think it unlikely a no-confidence motion would be called unless the propsers were reasonably certain of success…
There are fifteen votes on the NEC: your 12 elected reps, the leader, the Welsh AM rep & the MEP rep. The chairman has a casting vote which if there is a full turn will be irrelevant.
Brain dead or shallow enough to let hostile media grubbing around in one’s private life and spinning it for the worst, claim another victim?
Well, they may not be “brain dead”, but we know (thanks again, Nigel ?) that they’re “total amateurs”, so anything could happen!