Dear Readers,
As a previous member of UKIP, I am appalled at the current state and standing of the party. I joined UKIP because I believed in its message that Britain would thrive outside the European Union. I also believed that UKIP would produce policies that would enable Britain to shake off its ‘one-party-state’ image and become a better functioning democratic nation. My own electoral leanings had, for many years, been Conservative but I had never been remotely tempted before to join any political party. I have been interested in and followed politics, all my life.
I embraced the party. I worked for the party as much as I was able, delivering leaflets, attending ‘meet the public’ events in the streets, speaking to people I met on the way and explaining that I believed that UKIP would ‘deliver’ what most of us wanted to see. A fairer political system and freedom from the clutches of the, largely corrupt, EU. When asked to cast my vote for such things as NEC members etc., I took the trouble to read everything relevant before voting.
All was well until the Carswell debacle. Then, a suggestion of divisions within the party began to appear. The allusion that it was of Nigel versus the NEC; NEC factions dividing behind the scenes and general unrest and discord became the ‘main event’!
I was, and still am, a strong supporter of Nigel Farage. (I resigned when I felt that he had been forced out!). For all the accusations hurled at him from within UKIP about his leadership style, I see a man who has caught the imagination of a cross-section of people in Britain. They, like myself, see a patriotic man who understands their passion to have control of their country returned to them. A man who understands that most Britains do not wish to be just another ‘region’ in Europe, subject to the decrees and whims of unelected bureaucrats. A man who understands that Britain has, historically, been a trading nation in its own right and can be so again without having to bow to the decrees about how and when we trade, made by the EU.
Churchill was an inspirational leader. I doubt whether he was always a joy to work for. Churchill delivered!
People call into Nigel’s radio programme expressing their support for him and his views. They beg him to return to frontline politics to break the stranglehold of the one-party-state ‘remainer’ Europhiles who are threatening to deny us the BREXIT for which we voted!
The recent leadership woes (in which more than once I have heard the accusation that Nigel is actively working against the best interests of UKIP) are shameful. Nigel gave 20 years of his life to UKIP. For many people, he was The Party! Why would he want UKIP destroyed? He put up with Establishment smears, harassment and attacks on his “message”. The Establishment clearly feared him. The people listened to him. Some hated him, simply because it was fashionable to equate concern about incontinent immigration with “racism”!
It is time that UKIP came clean. Stop all the claim and counterclaim! We want to know the real truth about why the ‘Executive’ and the NEC seem to be unable to deliver what the membership wants from the party! It seems that any suggestion that the grassroots should have any say in adopting policies, or how the Party is run, is cut off at the knees by shadowy figures within the party ‘elite’ who only seem to want to turn it into another bland edition of the liblabcon!
Past and present members should hear the full unexpurgated truth. Use the database and e-mail to contact members past and present! Those who feel that the truth should not see the light of day will be equally complicit if the demise of what should be a great ‘People’s Party’ takes place.
UKIP must resolve issues and rebuild the party under a strong and purposeful ‘leader’! Above all, let us remember that ‘leaders’ must ‘lead’! (albeit within a democratic framework) and the Executive must keep the best interests of The Party foremost and not be governed by their own agenda. There must be no cronyism!
Past members will not return and new ones will not join, a party that is divided upon itself. The party needs both members and funds to survive. Trust us! Tell us the truth! Then turn UKIP back into the ‘People’s Party’.
‘Frederica’
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I post here without endorsement but for information and awareness only the 20 February “UK Column News” edition’s commentary on Gerard Batten’s LBC interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_hecXEcAd8&t=33m21s
(The section (from 33m 21s) commences inauspiciously with presenter Brian Gerrish saying incredulously where he means incredibly).
It remains a mystery just what eminence grise is behind the UKC, but they’re eternally vigilant when it comes to reminding us that not just certain Pakistanis, Afghanis etc but also White men “groom” underage girls – even if the relative scope and extent of such group activities is not statistically comparable.
Michael wood
‘Islam is quite clear on its plans for us.’
Indeed.
“Most British people understand that only a small fraction of Muslims are radicalized”
They don’t need to be “radicalised”; they just need to follow the instructions of their religious leaders and contained in their various religious texts.
Muslim minorities have, and continue, to cause trouble in every country that they inhabit. They can’t even live peaceably with other Muslims of a different sect.
We need rid if our country is to survive for those who will come after us.
Nick,
The thing is that ‘thicko’ of an interviewer would not realise that he needed security, that’s how stupid they are just like sheep to the slaughter. Actually, I will rephrase that sheep have more brains than him!
Roger,
Haha, what was Mrs, Bullock called I wonder?
Phillip,
Did I miss something, did someone else come forward to be interim leader? I mean someone sensible.
The point is Bernard, should we select our leaders based on the silly labels the press choose to give them, anti-Islam, Islamophobic etc etc?
The ‘Islam’ thing with Gerard would not even be an issue at all if it wasn’t for the MSM like a dog with a bloody bone. It was just some throwaway comment from years ago but unlike some others I could think of Gerald actually has the balls not to shy away from his remarks.
Nick,
That is very good.
Chris,
I agree, Gerard is coming across as having researched his brief and being tough when under fire, let’s face it we all know they are going to come gunning for him, we should be sticking shoulder to shoulder with him, otherwise why bother.
We all need to learn to watch each other’s back instead of stabbing some in theirs.
DD I can’t see my comment you are referring to, but thanks !
Plus you are so right about sticking to shoulder, Gerard needs our full loyal support.
I also hope UKIP puts in place proper security measures for him.
Phillip,
We can’t keep harping on about Brexit all the time, even I would get bored, don’t you think the public may not be a tad bored too?
Printed off GB’s “Way forward” so thank you for the link.
Personally I like all of it.
UKIP is strengthening now and I am getting prepared for campaigning.
Sorry, ma’am. We almost share a forename. Many of your facts are based on misconceptions. Most of your conclusions are wrong.
“I resigned when I felt that [Nigel] had been forced out!” takes the cake.
I am entitled to my view! Your response simply enforces my suspicion that the “management” element of UKIP is no better than the mainstream LibLabCon. It despises the grassroots and the ‘peasantry’ and dismisses our concerns with arrogant disdain! I have seen many of your comments on here. This latest simply confirms what I already suspected!
Prove to me conclusively and convincingly, using hard evidence, that I am wrong. Dismissive sweeping statements won’t cut the mustard!
Your are indeed free to be gloriously wrong and advance views as evidence free as you wish. But we are free to dispute your conclusions.
For example, please cite some evidence, even just partial evidence, a mere snippet, a hint even, that Nigel was forced out. I would genuinely like to know.
Far from fircing Nigel out, many of the NEC only found out about his resignation conference by accudent!
So, Frederica, why don’t you provide your evidence to prove all the above are wrong? If it’s all so obvious the evidence must be to hand. And please don’t use so many !!!! – it detracts from your opinions.
Dear Frederica,
You say “faction within UKIP (management) that simply wants the Party to be … bland…”.
The fact that the NEC appointed Gerard Batten seems to be evidence that the NEC is willing to adopt non-bland policy.
Regards, Toby, 01932-873557
When you’re in a hole, dot dot dot
Phillip,
I agree, this blame game has to stop now otherwise we will get nowhere. Gerard is not blaming anyone in the party, so w should follow his lead.
I don’t blame Gerard for the current state of UKIP. That has come about because of a perfect storm of problems going back to 2016. However, I will argue against his anti-Islam policy. His Sky interview was not so much a last straw as an anvil dropped on UKIP’s already broken back. It’s damage will reach beyond the party to Brexit itself. When a leader is elected people should either follow him or leave the party. Gerard has not been elected and should stick to making comments on Brexit that we all agree on.
That’s why Gerard Batten was not a good choice for interim leader. These questions were inevitable and he could not dodge them. He can say it is his own personal opinion but neither the journalists nor the public will see it that way. Most will not even understand that he is only an interim leader. He is now seen as the new face of UKIP and his opinions will be assumed to be what UKIP members wanted.
Philip, your point makes sense and it is a judgement call. I guess we just differ in our point of view.
He was appointed as an interim leader and not as a temporary caretaker.
I think he will be received well as he has a calm personality with depth and knows UKIP and the issues.
@ Philip Gibbs
I disagree. Gerard was the right person for this job.
As to your fears:
“Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.” ― Edmund Burke
“Learn from history or you’re doomed to repeat it.” ― Jesse Ventura
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana
Are you for real ???
> Are you for real ???
I suspect it may live under a bridge.
61.481°North 10.503°East
There is a party already doing so. You are, of course, perfectly free to join them.
Good for you Frederica. You’re clearly in faction group 2. And you are absolutely right. It is far more than a tiny number of people worried about this, as one poster suggested.
I would love to take a poll of all contributors to this thread, to see how many of them DON’T easily feel they fall into one or other of the groups I have outlined.
Some( I suspect a very large number) will not join a UKIP that does not recognise the threat posed by Islam (and our government’s support of it). It is a clear and present danger to our survival as a true British nation.
However, JackT, making it our raison d’etre would be electoral suicide. Counterproductive.
I wasn’t suggesting that it should be but it needs to be a key policy or we will lose our country…
Jake, I have addressed the point you have raised further down this thread in a reply to Stout Yeoman. I agree that Nigel’s time a time the helm has ended but that is no reason to alienate him forever and shut the door! (See my reference to Banquos ghost!
No-one has shut the door on him.
Stout,
If anything he has shut it himself.
Right now it seems more like someone outside is micturating in, though he’s been repeatedly invited to come in.
Dear Frederica,
You say “Most people want to know ‘what’s in it for me’!”.
Can I put in a word here for Alan Bown?
Alan Bown is one of the most upright, wonderful people I have ever had the pleasure to meet. He has put in huge amounts and I have never noticed him wanting anything in return.
Stuart Wheeler also seems to expect nothing in return.
Perhaps the same can be said of the other donors, but I do not know them personally.
Regards, Toby. 01932-873557
Beat me to it, Toby!
Peeping under the bridge – At what was my billing rate, I’d estimate the time that I’ve given UKIP was well in excess of £200,000 net.
So, what do you think I got paid (in any form whatsoever, and bearing whatever label, including any freebies, wanted or not), including expenses, for all the services I’ve given UKIP for the period:
(a) £200,000 or over
(b) £100,000 – £199,000
(c) £50,000 – £99,999
(d) £250 – £49,999
(e) Other?
There is only one donor who ever tried to buy influence in UKIP and that was Aaron Banks. The NEC turned him down. Could it be they rejected an offer from a friend of Saint Nigel precisely because they are not corrupt?
I wish some members would ask themselves what evidence actually exists for their assertions. If they would apportion belief to evidence there would be less discontent in the party. At the very least, stop sharing fantasy and speculation with the rest of us.
I did ask for evidence! That was the whole substance of my piece. Didn’t I say “tell us the truth”? It seems that some of the management wallahs think that the grassroots are too thick to understand! If you keep us in the dark we turn brown and die! You sound as disdainful as Freddy Vaccha! Why on earth would I want to re-join and work my socks off for a party whose management is as dismissive as I have encountered here?
What a strange and telling reaction from Bickley. The only use of the word “corrupt” in the article was in reference to the EU.
John B simply made a mistake.
Over the past weeks he has fielded endless comments attacking the NEC (and the treasurer) without evidence or facts.
So, I believe it is only telling us that John takes the trouble to communicate, is fallible and prepared to apologise where necessary.
Not “telling” at all. He made a simple error for which he has apologised unreservedly. It is very easy to misread a rant especially when it follows a series of them.
Explanation accepted. Perhaps it was more telling of the pressure the NEC has been under. I’d like to thank the NEC past and present for there long and dedicated service. I hope everyone can avoid playing a silly blame game.
There is a saying ” never look for Coincidance what can be attributed to Malice”
Or is it the other way round.
Or are the key words “Incompetence” and ” Stupidity”
Or, Or,..
“Vanity”? That’s more often attributed to Solomon: http://drbo.org/chapter/23001.htm
I can’t quibble with anything else.
Margaret ‘borrowed’ it!
Best wishes!
Fred
Unfortunately, Chris, just as the people do get to know and respect Batten, it will be time for him to go. If only Gerard would agree to stay on permanently
Rabbit, perhaps the chances of him staying on would be increased if he receives warm support from the main players of UKIP.
(taking it as accepted that the NEC will work well Gerard Batten)
Gerard Batten will be targeted and it is up to UKIP to provide him with security, so that he can get on with a difficult battle.
No-one is saying Nigel did not do good for the party.
The NEC has never in my time on it stopped a leader from leading; in fact we’ve actively encouraged it.
The leader and their spokespeople develop policy; the NEC on behalf of the members has oversight and input – surely that’s a good thing?
By his own admission, I’m reliably told, he’s a contender for the world’s worst judge of character. But keeps on at it regardless.
Once is folly. Twice is stupidity. Thrice is … ?
Tomaž Slivnik, agree with your summary.
If you re-joined you would have a say in who leads UKIP + the joining fees are about to be reduced ?!
I will give it some thought! It wasn’t the cost of the membership fee that was the problem!
In re the Crimea: although I accept that Russia breached commitments made less than 20 years ago, Crimea was indeed part of Russia as recently as 1954 until it was transferred to Ukraine, as I understand by Stalin’s fiat. It was at that time overwhelmingly Russian, and I think still is, although that’s partly because of earlier deportations of Tartars.
I don’t think any of the recent fighting in Ukraine was in the Crimea.
“they’ll be legalising marriage to billy goats next”
Lol. You could be more right than you know. They’ll say that if you love ‘someone’ and it’s not ‘hurting anyone else’ then why shouldn’t you marry your billy goat! I jest not.
Nick,
I am married to a Billy Goat, at least that is what I call him!
Many, many years ago there was a firm of solicitors in Coventry that went under the name of Goat, Norris and Bullock.
Apparently Mr.Goat`s wife was called “Nan”.
All nicely put Charlotte and I commiserate with you that you didn`t get the chance to say it at the EGM.
But it would all have been in vain anyway, HB self destructed by revealing his true character in the final 4 minutes of his peroration – he was roundly bood for threatening to continue legal action against the party, his original attempts being exposed by a previous speaker I believe seconding the speech of Steve Crowther.
Dear Charlotte, I wish we had had your speech rather than “suitcase man”.
But, if Henry has knowldge, clarity and intelligence, why did he present a timetable for adopting his new constutitiin (EGMs in less than 21 days) which was clearly ultra-vires?
Regards, Rob ?
But “suitcase” was so entertaining. I’ll bet he had his sandwiches in there too which, according to Nigel, makes him NEC material!
Please don’t misrepresent things. Sandwiches not in knapsacks or backpacks don’t count. Suitcases are things that contain a multitude of much younger “wives”, as the other speaker revealed, and not sandwiches or 5 Euro notes for tearing.
The question Frederika is who then do you vote for in any election. Farage has not got a party and none of the other parties are staunchly pro Brexit,either Luke warm,tepid or anti…at least UKIP is still there and totally pro Brexit.
The interesting thing to me is how are the electorate going to vote in the coming local elections in May,they will show how the voter feels and a chance for UKIP to return to the fray after all the Bolton shenanigans
I still vote UKIP! I still support my local branch (though not as a full participating member naturally). Several members are local councillors and they do very good work! Before I re-join, I wish to know that the integrity of the Party Executive is all it should be in a ‘People’s Party’! If I’m to be ‘snarled at’ for my views and questioning (as I saw above in these threads), we are not there yet! Gerard Batten might well change my mind!
Not snarling at all,this country needs a right of centre party whatever it is called. It always amuses me that UKIP is called far right in some circles,but if you go back 39/49 years those same policies would have been Conservative policies. It just shows how the whole political landscape has been hijacked to the left of centre. UKIP is going to evolve,it has to,not only for itself but for the country. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the goings on with Farage or Bolton,there is a future and at the moment UKIP is the only real choice
I wish I did not have to be negative but the question is rapidly moving on from “Will UKIP win any seats at the council elections?” to “Will UKIP even field any candidates at the council elections?” Branches are closing across the country. The reasons are a combination of all the obvious political, financial and organisational factors.
Continuing to keep the party alive with an anti-Islam agenda will only harm the cause for Brexit. Such an undignified end is very unfortunate. Please flick the switch.
Nick,
At least he was able to widen the debate a bit last night to other topics, but that berk had to have his last dig about visiting a mosque did’nt he? I am sure that the extreme Imams would be on their best behaviour if they did visit them, and they would welcome Gerard with open arms, not.
I very much doubt that there is anyone in UKIP who “feels any discussion of Islam is dangerous, racist and unpopular,” certainly not me. However, I do think that the kind of rhetoric used by Batten is very unpopular with the British public including many UKIP voters and members. Most people sit between the two extremes you have described.
I am in group two as well – if you know your history you can’t have any other view point. Islam is quite clear on its plans for us. You only have to read the tight sources.
Edit: right not tight
“that berk had to have his last dig about visiting a mosque did’nt he?”
Gerard should have said ‘yes, if you’ll pay for the security’. That would have shut him right up.