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UKIP Leadership elections – A Personal Meeting Report from Phil Cunningham (Treasurer), Wokingham Branch:

I attended the Basingstoke UKIP branch meeting (see the minutes here) on 7 September as it included UKIP leadership candidates as special guest speakers.

The UKIP Leadership candidates in attendance were Anne-Marie Waters and David Kurten.

They both gave 15 minute introductory speeches and then questions were asked from the floor.

Anne-Marie Waters stated she wants to ‘shake things up’, speak about things that concern ordinary people around the Country without concern for how controversial the subject might seem.

She wants to make sure that UKIP’s message chimes with the conversations that people are having at home or in the pub.

Brexit is the prime importance, the one that was voted for NOT some watered down version that might as well end up that we haven’t in fact left the EU.

Anne-Marie liked much of the 2015 manifesto which was a well-rounded offering and could be built upon.

The NHS should come under intense scrutiny, kept publicly funded and owned, but areas of gross waste and layers of unnecessary management should be dealt with. Anne-Marie worked within the NHS for 10 years.

Immigration should be controlled from the day after Brexit and immigration rules should be concentrated on what benefits the UK.  She would advocate even looking at the source of immigration as a criteria in evaluating suitability.

Political correctness is stopping solutions being discussed or implemented for issues which are harming the Country in every area including government (local and national), housing, schools and law and order.

When asked if she would reform the NEC structure she replied ‘absolutely she would’, an audience member then commented it had been tried before but had failed, Anne-Marie said “it hasn’t been tried by me yet!”

David Kurten stated he was a teacher for 20 years before becoming a UKIP London Assembly Member.

Teaching gave him skills to be UKIP leader – management, communication, evaluation and teamwork.

In the London Assembly he led a motion to have Sadiq Khan take down the EU flag from outside the assembly building.

When with a photographer outside the Houses of Parliament, there were EU remainers protesting and holding up EU flags. He had a Union Flag with him and he held it up in front of them. When they booed and complained and told him they were going to do whatever necessary to keep us in the EU. They weren’t all British protesters, there were some from various EU countries.

He would initially focus on Brexit but then look at the policy offering for UKIP.

He would keep some existing UKIP spokesmen, recruit others and put a policy unit in place and make sure the pathway for policy ideas from members to policy-makers was straightforward and reliable.

In education and NHS straight talking and sensible changes need to be made. Crazy that we take nurses and doctors from Philippines, India and Spain instead of training our own. The same with engineers and other technical skills. He is concerned about the left-wing indoctrination of children in schools.

He would strengthen the local, regional and national structure of the party and seek funding/donors.

Questions came from the audience and on many issues the two candidates agreed such as increasing defence spending, tackling the scourge of Political Correctness, dealing with the damaging financial and religious influence of Saudi Arabia (which current leaders seem to have no intention to do). Both said they were prepared to stand up for UKIP and its ideals in the mainstream media and tackle difficult issues head-on. Both said that pride in our country should be reinvigorated at school and in society. Both said they wanted the decision-making to be based around the ordinary citizen, not the political elite who seek to ignore the ordinary citizen.

In his closing remarks, David said that he wants to unify the party, sort out the structure, ensure the funding is in place, get the policies front and centre.

In her closing remarks, Anne-Marie said she wanted to be controversial, take on the other political parties where it is letting political correctness damage the Country in all walks of life, deal with immigration. She added that if she says or proposes something and there is a huge outcry from the Left, it meant that she was talking on the right lines.

No recording was allowed and therefore I have done my best to represent what occurred during the meeting and to report the salient points.

Kind regards, Phil

Short report on Ukip Leadership Hustings which took place at The Great Barr Hotel, Birmingham on Monday 11th September 2017 at 7.30pm, from a personal perspective.

Seven revved up candidates sat before their judges in a packed Leadership Hustings at The Great Barr Hotel, Birmingham last night organised by Ukip West Midlands.    Hearts were beating and expectations high as speeches and visions of Ukip’s future were delivered at warp speed!  

In the line up left to right from the audience perspective were Henry Bolton, David Kurten, Ann Marie Waters, John Rees-Evans, Peter Whittle, Aidan Powlesland and Ben Walker(standing in place for Jane Collins who sent her apologies unable to be present due to necessary attendance at the EU Parliament.)  Members had travelled from across the Region and south west to produce a brilliant turnout. Introducing the event was Regional Organiser Andrew Illsley and WMRC Deputy Chairman Paul Williams who outlined the running order and rules.

Each candidate was then asked to give their opening speeches of 5 minutes duration and we were off  – I was riveted to my seat.

The underlying theme with all was their passionate belief in an independent Britain, to ensure Brexit happens and how best to achieve this plus their personal visions of a future Ukip.  Later several questions were asked including how a new leader would attract more to the Party, how to increase Ukip chances in future elections, what the Party would look like after their first 100 days as leader plus the contentious matter of any potential MEP resignations likely to happen following the leadership announcement which prompted vigorous exchanges between one or two candidates aided by audience murmurings gradually increasing their velocity.   

Candidates were then invited to give their short closing speeches which amounted to one line statements of Churchillian inspiration of patriotism, sovereignty and freedom.

The meeting officially closed around 9.15pm and some candidates stayed and mingled to answer any more questions to an audience now presumably more enlightened as to the path a new Leader would take for the future of Ukip.

Rosemary Herbert, Observer


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37 Comments on More Personal Reports on UKIP Leadership Hustings

  1. I guess much of this has already been decided as many will have returned ballot papers already.

    It would be interesting to hear predictions on what the first 30 then 100 days would be like for the main hopefuls ( esp DK, AMW and any of the others ).

    Have key donors indicated who they would continue financing the party under ?

  2. IMO the 2015 manifesto was ridiculous.

    Trying to cover every subject that everyone else covered just looked pretentious, and laughable.

    in fact stupidity

  3. Can anyone please tell me the size of the electorate in the UKIP leadership contest. And when was the cut off date (date from which one had to ge member to get a ballot paper)…?

    • Alex,

      Don’t know the size of the UKIP electorate, could be anything from 24,000 to 30,000. the cut of date was the 23rd June, when you had to be a member then in order to qualify to vote.

  4. Dee and Sean, this is the conclusion I came to months ago and now more firmly adhere to it than ever.

  5. Both AMW and DK have much going for them.

    AMW has a refreshing no nonsense approach – saying it as it is, and with the ability to answer “yes/no” questions with a yes or a no! Other politicians who waffle on endlessly without really giving an answer do not inspire me.

    DK is a good one. I have had some email correspondence with him, and he is polite and helpful. I am concerned however that he maybe has not thought things through carefully enough regarding policy. For example he seems to be anti-Halal but pro-Kosher. Such an incoherent stance would be rapidly demolished by a competent interviewer.

    Stuart Agnew tried this approach in Feb 2015 and it was immediately derided, so why is DK trying to make the same mistake again? Lessons clearly have not been learned.

    (“Agriculture spokesman Stuart Agnew said the policy was not “aimed” at Jewish shechita slaughter but at “others” – implying halal Muslim slaughter, which has been the greater focus of public anger at the alleged cruelty of not stunning animals before killing them.” )

    This highlights a problem with the hustings process – questions are asked, but generally no follow up questions. This is not helpful for the candidates as they therefore receive little feedback on how sensible or defensible their positions are.

    • kenneth james ogilvie // September 15, 2017 at 10:51 am // Reply

      We need Waters. Two bombs today at Parsons Green, fortunately only one went off and no deaths. Also an attempted stabbing on a soldier in Paris. All no comments allowed in the DE. We know who is doing this perhaps internment is the answer

  6. I haven`t voted yet.
    I do know who I won`t be voting for, but I have narrowed my favourites down to any out of three.
    One of them is JRE, problem is I haven`t seen him in person at a recorded husting, I didn`t feel he was very well represented at the ones which were on Utube where he had stand- ins and I had hoped the Birmingham one might enlighten me, unfortunately there doesn`t appear to be a recording.
    or us there? or is he likely to appear at another recorded husting?

  7. Question to the moderators.
    Is it possible to create “likes” on comments?

  8. Any candidate who thinks they can reform the NEC without cooperation – “it hasn’t been tried by me yet!” – faces a doomed leadership from the outset.

  9. Ann Marie Waters would be like Cleopatra taking the Asp to her bosom. She would eventually show her total support for Tommy Robinson of that there can be no doubt, do not be fooled. Nigel should make an appearance as basically it is still his Party not hers.

    • I suggest you google for the video, on youtube, “I was wrong about tommy robinson”.

      Sad and downright dangerous when someones views of a person is based on fake news and missinformation and parrott them.

    • P.S. Also watch the speech that tommy was invited to give the house of lords, but stopped by they police (who have much to hide) – He later gave the speech elsewhere for the record.

      • Well said, Martin – Tommy has been demonized by the MSM for too long – into willing ears their poison went – but now many who have looked have found the true version if events – Tommy may not have the gravitas of Churchill but he has the courage of a lion.

        • If you seriously think Tommy Robinson is some sort of role model, you are I hope, in the wrong party.

        • I agree 100%. I feel rather emabarssed that it took me too long to come to the conclusion that Tommy Robinson is a good, brave man and my i feel my vote for Anne-Marie Waters is a step to rectify that.

          • I have just watched Robinson’s speech that Martin linked – and I must say I am a changed man. Instead of the stereotypical rightwing troublemaker many of us thought, after the matter of fact catalogue of events whereby Robinson was systematically hounded by the police for 100% political reasons, is pure CORRUPTION on high. I am proud to have voted for Anne Marie and may she have wings on her heels drawing attention to it all.

            I want my country back and I ain’t talking about the EU.

        • Thought police? Oh dear, Icini! I will stand up for Tommy Robinson, who has been smeared and persecuted because he was, is and always has been a truth teller. He saw what happened to his beloved multi-cultural happy Luton Town, when it was taken over by one culture, and has tried to warn others about it. I’m guessing it probably won’t happen for a long while in your rather more English part of England, or your happy multi-Cultural part of England, Icini, whichever applies – otherwise you might value Tommy more. But in any event, I can be a member of UKIP without having to tick a checklist of who I value – last time I looked.

          • Those who question TR should ask themselves the question, who else could possibly take the fight to Islamic extremism particularly in a town like Luton? Tommy is an articulate, intelligent working class man and he also has nerves of steel that few possess. I would suggest that those who still believe the caricature of him should read beyond the headline and listen to his views directly, particularly in his Oxford Union speech.

    • Nigel’s party? Certainly he should be given credit for creating it and his years of hard work in securing the referendum but surely now it ought to belong to the members after his (premature) “job done” departure?

      • The Party was actually created by Alan Sked. Nigel came along a little later although he does deserve credit for securing the referendum.

      • Jack,

        Yes, he definitely left too soon but I think it was driving him nuts, and should he have stayed it may well have made him ill, but if only he had ‘trained’ some one up to replace him. I still think it is a bit of a shame about what happened to Steven Woolfe as he seemed good up until that fracas in Strasbourg, and when I listen to him now he still speaks well.

        It is all such a bloody shambles and we need to steady the ship before it keels over.

  10. I just hope that any leader will make full use of all the talents – AMW, David Kurten with John R-E sorting out an on-line presence would be, imo, one heck of a team.

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