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Nigel is Needed

The election result is widely seen as a return to the old tradition of two-party government, with any other parties in the Commons of no importance at all except at times of two-party deadlock.  As it happens, now is such a time, with the DUP receiving some attention.  But surely, many think, the old days of Conservative v. Labour are returning, with every prospect of a clear majority for either Conservative or Labour at another election later this year or early next.  Both the leading parties (and therefore everyone else in the political establishment) are breathing a great sigh of relief at the eclipse of UKIP and the reduced vote for the SNP.  The election was not about Brexit or (in Scotland) Scottish independence, it was back to the old theme of the haves and the have-nots. Familiar loyalties, class loyalties really, had reasserted themselves.  Thank God for that, they say – now we know where we are again.  We can handle that.

Even before the election, the polls were being presented and interpreted in the traditional way – the figure to watch was  the Conservative lead over Labour. The Conservative lead – immense at first – rapidly shrank as Corbyn fought an effective campaign and May a very uncertain one. On polling day, Labour didn’t quite get ahead.  It was like 1974, when in desperation Heath called an unexpected election and Harold Wilson just failed to get an adequate majority.  At the second election in 1974,  Wilson got a bigger majority, just enough.  Probably Corbyn will get the majority he needs in six months’ time.  And Sir Humphrey will soon civilise him – or perhaps Labour will throw him out once they’re in power.

Actually, the election was not quite as simple as that.  What actually happened is that there was very little if any voter movement from Conservative to Labour.  The Conservative vote remained fairly steady.  But over the period of the campaign,  the UKIP vote (already lower than it had been) fell away and most of the defectors went to Labour. And the SNP also declined; again, Labour benefited.  To understand the election result and its implications, we need to understand the reasons why the UKIP and SNP votes declined.

Ask the electorate: the electorate will tell you that we had had two referendums with clear results. The people had decided, once and for all, that Scotland would remain in the United Kingdom and that the United Kingdom would leave the European Union.  Even those who had voted otherwise, both North and South of the Border, had accepted the results.  Politicians who agitated for referendum re-runs gained little support.  That meant (it seemed) that UKIP had attained its object and was just another right-wing party and the SNP had got as much as it could and was just another left-wing party.

And the leaders of both parties,  Nigel Farage and Alex Salmond, had resigned after their respective referendums.  They had, they said, done all they could and things would now take their course. They were replaced by far less able and attractive leaders.  Personal support fell away.  It seems that all the steam has gone out of both Scottish patriotism and British patriotism.  But in the case of the Brexit referendum, only because the electorate, and perhaps even the UKIP leader, were under the impression that a decision – a final decision – had been made.  In the case of Brexit, it has not.

The British electorate is not accustomed to referendums and does not understand them. In some countries, they have legal force.  In the U.K., they have no legal force. If the Scottish referendum had resulted in a “leave” vote, the day after the referendum, Scotland would have remained as much part of the United Kingdom as at any time since the Act of Union.  Scottish independence would have come, if it had come at all, only after a great deal of negotiation, many disputes, much delay and quite possibly another referendum before the final break.  In fact the vote went the other way and the matter was immediately settled, because everything carried on as before.

Similarly, if the Brexit vote had gone the other way, the matter would have been settled and things would have carried on as before.  But we voted for change: to leave the EU.  The result (without a pro-Brexit government) was bound to lead to a period of uncertainty, requiring much re-thinking and very strong and determined political leadership.

Theresa May called an election for one reason only:  she can’t handle Brexit.  She says that if Brexit is to happen, Britain needs strong leadership.  She is right.  If the British people wish to get out of the EU (and they clearly do) then the British people must produce a leader who can handle the transition.  It will require leadership qualities of a kind which have not been seen in British politics since Margaret Thatcher, possibly since the Second World War.

Does anyone think Jeremy Corbyn has those qualities?  He fought the election as though the problem didn’t exist.  He has managed to take it off the political agenda.   If there is another election and he becomes PM, there is virtually no chance that there will be a real Brexit.  The Conservative leadership is well enough aware of the problem, but does it contain anyone, with the possible exception of David Davis, who can handle it?  And even if David Davis could, he is not yet the Conservative leader and the Conservative party does not yet have an adequate  majority.

One man, more than any other, got the U.K. into this mess.  That man – Nigel Farage – can and must mobilise the voting potential of UKIP to enable us to get out of it.  That voting potential, given the right leadership, is still there.  Wisely used, it may make all the difference. There will be another election before the end of the year.

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Mike Munford is a member of UKIP, a retired businessman and a lifelong student of English history.

18 Comments on Nigel is Needed

  1. I don`t wonder the Tories hate UKIP, remember the days of Nigel`s reverse takeover, the forecast wooing and defection of a shedload of turncoat Tory MPs (Only Carswell and Reckless were reckless enough in the end).
    They go on about “Hate” against diverse communities, it is nothing to Tory hate of UKIP, which is now only matched by Labour hate of UKIP.
    Two “Extreme” parties.

  2. Ref Tories hating ukip more than anyone, witness lack of cooperation at Stoke, there may be a more disturbing reason.

    May I recommend reading . He’s a prolific writer and authority on all kinds of things.

    But his explanation of how nazi Germany in the 30’s developed the blueprint for the EU, hitler handing the task to one Walther Funk, is quite extraordinary.

    And when you look at what has, and still is happening, and join the dots, it makes v disturbing reading. But explains much. Of which the electorate is wholly ignorant.

    It also suggests, to me at least, that ukip either needs to considerably up its game and forge a coalition of every on-board, influential voice they can rally, including NF and AMW and JRE; or get out of the way for AB and his supporters.

    Because if Vernon Coleman is right and this whole charade is about establishing a federal Europe under German economic dominance, I don’t fancy our chances while the electorate is so wilfully ignorant. Or indoctrinated.

    And I certainly do not trust the leading figures amongst the current crop of politicians.

    Check him out and see what you think.

    • Alan, if you listen to this and believe even some of it, it goes way further back than the Thirties. To me, it makes a lot of sense. Go to utube and search for ‘End Times Production – The Deep State – 50 year old recording explains why the World is going Crazy’. It’s an hour long, but I think it’s compelling, though I don’t believe the Satan Bit, I think it’s just about Power.

    • Michael Shrimpton’s book sheds a lot of light on the link between the Third Reich and the EU; well worth reading.

      • Ok. Re AMW. It’s a view. I accept that. But here’s my problem. We were trashed. And will remain trashed until a core set of radical messageS. Plural. Is developed.

        Chances of ‘my’ labour town shifting? Nil. Unless there is a serious attraction. Farage achieved what? 15%? Give or take. PN after car crash, 2%

        Lab vote IS influenced by raw issues like immigration, nationalism and benefit fraud with or without racial overtones.

        But not happening or getting across right now is the message of the Michael Shriptons, Vernon Colemans; that the people who will be most hurt by the future are mostly Tories, with cash, savings, aspirations and an expectation that govt will instinctively put our joint interest first. Not any more it won’t.

        That the roots of the EU are in nazi Germany is unknown to the wider electorate. That the indoctrination of 2 full generations is entirely deliberate, the impact of the Euro was manipulated by Germany for their economic benefit and that their welfare, alone, is the raisin detre.

        The 4 big ticket expenditures that AN exposed some months ago here, include NHS and welfare. Neither main Party can confront or reform either. But both can spend stupid amounts of money on vanity projects, real or imaginary.

        Either the position is recoverable. Led by a new, very radical Party. Or it’s not so we sink under the EU monster imagined by hitler and brought to life by Walther Funk.

        I do agree Wilders failed because he targeted everything Muslim. Le Pen likewise failed. Too far left. Or right. Or both.

        AMW actually targets sharia, not muslims and not Islam followers who want peaceful coexistence. But she nails those that don’t and challenges the media and likes of piers Morgan who may (or may not) understand what sharia really is.

        This thread indeed this site is full of people who are beginning to see the MUCH bigger picture, and joining the dots. And I hope we will see a combination of likeminded talents blend , outside the present cabal which has all but destroyed ukip. But I do feel t has to include AMW to simply remind people what it is in Britain that we value. Equality before the law etc.

        Maybe we all have to challenge some of our own preconceptions….

  3. If Farage is to come back into the leadership (with Banks as a potentially formidable Chairman – if he has the time for it beyond his business concerns?), it needs to be with a strategic plan bigger than just getting out of the eu, which – unless the outcome of the Referendum is betrayed by the Liblabcon Party (highly unlikely) – is an issue that’s seen by the public as “decision made”, & is fast fading from its consciousness as an active voting concern.

    If UKIP is to be relevant it has to have a practical purpose applicable to England & Wales’ political landscape post-eu for the public to rally to.

    For all his abilities, I’m not sure Farage is more than an anti-eu crusader at heart, & what more therefore he can offer beyond that.

    Nuttall had a strategic vision of destroying & replacing the Labour Party as the radical opposition in England & Wales’ politics, but the Cultural Marxist media attack dogs succeeded in taking him out psychologically with a direct strike using the Hilsborough guided missile issue before he had time to try to implement it.

    • Ajax, I do agree with you, listening to Nigel on LBC, His raisin d’etre is the EU, and getting Britain out – It’s what he knows about, and has spent his life on. I don’t think he looks further than encouraging people, here and in America, to take back control from Globalists in a wide spectrum – he isn’t willing to address Head-on the problems that arise from that, and who can blame him. He has done enough for Britain.

    • Agree with much , except nuttall is/was a classic bootle left-of-centre scouser. Not a lot of vision there. IMHO.

      Me, starting to wonder whether AMW is the way forward, for a while at least, certainly controversial, media confrontational, pending exposure of what the Eu actually is… ?

      And what could become of it??

      • @Alan – Waters would turn UKIP into a Pegida movement in England, & it would be collapsed completely as a serious political movement under her direction within a year, like the ‘Pegidea UK’ one set up in 2016 already has.

        She is a bus driver for a one way trip to the political scrap-yard for UKIP.

  4. Mr Rodney Goodall // June 19, 2017 at 11:02 am // Reply

    I know this is the totally wrong thing to say, but UKIP was really a one man party, that man was Nigel Farage, without him we have lost that something special, that something, ordinary working class people could relate to, the man who listened to what was being said on the street, and went with it. He ignored all the usual protocols of politics, such as pie in the sky promises, which after an election would be forgotten, and told the blunt truth, the truth the establishment didn’t want to hear. I could go on forever, but the nitty gritty of the matter is, since Nigel left our party has been on the decline, and will continue so, unless we go back to the party that Nigel built over many years, and forget about “main stream” politics, back to the days of being called names and reviled by the left wing, because that showed we were frightening them, and were liable to burst their cosy bubbles. That was the type of politics, that got us the referendum, and did the largest part to winning it, so Bring back our Nigel, sort out the squabbling at the top, and get on with the job, before the membership fades away.

  5. Poor Nigel! Give him a break. He put his life on hold and his soul into UKIP for 20 years and he deserves to take a back seat for a while. He has said he would come back if May failed to give us a good clean Brexit and that has to be enough.
    However, I quite agree that his presence in the party is absolutely paramount and a catalyst for thousands more members. So what can be done?
    How about creating the role of party president for him? We don’t have a president at the moment and he’s the ideal choice. We’d need to lay out a list of duties and responsibilities for him but that could mean just as a figurehead and spokesman with very little actual work. He would need to be an ex-officio member of the NEC of course and would attend meetings when he felt like advising the other members and giving them the benefit of his vast experience. He would be ‘our man in Brussels’ and keep us up to date with the shenanigans in the EU, and his presence at any election would undoubtedly give the candidate a boost.
    But there’d be no standing for election or running campaigns for him, no setting agendas or chairing meetings, no selecting or training of candidates, no fundraising – unless you count a leisurely dinner with a sponsor or two, and no pressure to do anything he didn’t want to.
    What do others think?

    • Debbie,

      That sounds like a good idea to me, someone needs to put it to him.

    • If Nigel will not be leader, I’ll happily accept him as president.
      One thing is for sure, the old parties have won the war of words, the smears have stuck and we have just a few months to turn things round. Get it wrong this time and UKIP is a lost cause, we will return to business as usual with the public being ignored.
      We gave the Tories every chance to implement a proper Brexit, despite their years of pro EU campaigning and insulting remarks….. and May blew it, perhaps even paving the way for a Marxists government. The fools in government simply must look beyond their well padded bubble and see the real world of ordinary people.

    • The only place to learn anything about UKIP, is here on this website.

      I have been a member for some years now and I can say that very little comes from the leadership other than requests for money.
      Arron Banks offered money if they would make him Chairman, but he was turned down.
      My thought now, is that Mr Banks will soon announce his Patriotic Alliance, with Nigel to the fore and with profesionals to run it.
      If this happens then UKIP will wither and die, as the rank and file flock to Nigel who will be able to do his thing without being hogtied by the UKIP heirarchy.

  6. “But we voted for change”.

    No we didn’t. We voted to put things right. To put things back to the way they were before Heath put us like frogs in a pot and started, ever so slowly, to heat the water up. We voted to un-change things. This is why Nigel’s call to ‘get our country back’ resonated so strongly.

    But then I started to think.

    The catch lies in the word ‘we’. Although not quite the Royal we, as used here it comes close.

    I’m hazarding a guess but I would like to think that we the kippers, in the main, voted against a change to a future where a bunch of goons would be running our country. I for one gave hardly a thought as to how this would affect my bank balance in the future. This is why all the scary faux threats of impending financial doom simply bounced like poisoned arrows off my shield of resolve. I’m sure I’m not alone in this.

    But I see your point. I may not much like it, but I see it. And vital one it is if we are to turn the ship away from the lying rocks ahead.

    Not everyone sees what ‘we’ see. Mr. Mrs. and Miss Average British voter, especially the young, brains freshly washed at school and even at university (some might say especially at university) will not see the daunting dystopia with flashing red lights we see directly ahead.

    So yes. We at UKIP need to change our message. Perhaps we need to get them to see what we can see, or perhaps not. Perhaps we need an entirely different message. One that sells a bright future where we’re completely independent and able to trade freely with every country in the world as we see fit. Or something in-between? Sorry, that’s the best I can do in answering the ‘what the hell do we do now’ question.

    You’re right. We need Nigel.

    • This is the second time in my life I’ve seen looming dystopia sold as utopia. Lasr time it was communism in the 1960s and 1970s. Plus ca chanee….

  7. A huge opportunity was lost in the Stoke By election. If the Tories had supported Nuttall then Labour would have been routed. The Tories though hate UKIP more than they hate Labour. In Thanet GE15 the Tories sent in anti-UKIP activists to ensure a Tory win (possibly illegal). This attention on defeating UKIP has backfired and many UKIP voters went back to Labour. If the Tories had supported UKIP then Labour and its Marxist/Trot leader could have been consigned to the political dustbin. Yet again the Tories mess things up. UKIP can only be saved by a return of charismatic Nigel.

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