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Letters to the Editor – Sunday, 11th December 2016

Today’s letters address the aftermath of the Sleaford by-election. The first is by our contributor and NEC Candidate Rhys Burriss:

Sir,

I confess to puzzlement at the Libs’ increase in percentage of vote: is it just that now they are the only Party campaigning unequivocally for Remain?

And the bottom line is that diehard Remainers represent 11% of the Linconshire electorate? I suppose if so that is not bad news for UKIP.

And the diehard Lab vote (with its Leadership message of ‘ We love mass immigration, Us,  – the more the merrier ‘) is at a similar number ~10%?

Again, not bad news for UKIP, esp if that were to be the case in a Northern,  Lab – held Rotten Borough?

We will have to see what happens in the next by-election in a Labour safe seat/RB, but it must be in that territory that we have a chance of winning.

I just don’t see us having opportunities in the Tory Rotten Boroughs……

What I take from the holding up of the Tory vote in Lincs (not to mention other indicators like the massive increase in Tory Party  membership since the vile pair of public schoolboys departed high office) is that frankly the many millions who never reconciled to the chumocracy Camborne-Liberal takeover of their Party (and who thus loaned UKIP their vote for the Duration of the Occupation) are now happy enough to return to the more meritocratic seeming, and more Brexit friendly, Tory Party of Mrs May.

She has many defects (not least her record as Home Sec.) but somehow she has managed to get a makeover in the public prints and does come across as more understanding of the problems of those at the bottom of the pile than Camborne ever could.

She does, after all, come from a modest background socially (the Vicarage) and deserves credit for that. This is what people will, not unreasonably, think  (and vote accordingly).

I wonder whether there is much in UKIP’s current policy ‘offer’ which is going to appeal to trad Tories more than that which Mrs May is offering?

I certainly think that our current policy on immigration (which I understand to be ‘yes we need it, but not quite as much as we have currently’) is not only the wrong policy objectively speaking, but also little differentiated from that of the Tories.

A policy of ‘ Moratorium for five years on all new immigration from whatever source, whilst we attempt to alleviate the housing crisis ‘ is in my view both needed as a policy and more likely to appeal to the majority in the country which share the concern that the overcrowdedness just has to be addressed, and at minimum not continually worsened by the current open door policy. Of course we need other policies as well. I have set my suggestions out  elsewhere on this site: http://www.rhys4nec.co.uk/index.php/policy-beliefs

The bottom line is that I think we have  every possibility of appealing to former/trad  Labour voters whom the current Labour leadership  openly despise. That is where UKIP’s leaders need to be directing their attention. I see  no reason why we should not aspire to replace Labour as the political voice of the Have Nots /Have Very Littles.

Stating we are aspiring to no more than ‘double figures’ of MPs at the next General Election is unnecessarily modest, even self~defeating. The SNP managed to wholly replace Labour in Scotland in one election: why should UKIP not aspire to do likewise in England and Wales?

Respectfully, Rhys Burriss

The second letter is from our reader Les Arnott:

Sir,

We in UKIP need to have a far better grasp of what makes Labour voters tick.

My grandfather was a Labour activist before WW2: he fought for trade union rights for agricultural workers; he was scrupulously fair; honest; pragmatic; sacked from two jobs for his support for farm labourers – and a local preacher to boot. He believed in ‘a fair day’s work for a fair day’s pay’ – and to him this was a two way process. Labour to a fault; hated Tories; he could never have been realistically called a socialist. He was patriotic too. His type once formed a majority amongst Labour voters – in many ways, perhaps still does.

In his day, the Fabian Society luvvies were only one element of the Labour movement – not the ‘liberal’ control freaks of today who totally dominate the party structure.

These form that sinister element who have attempted to change traditional morality and replace it with the ever vile political correctness which is profoundly despised by so many traditional Labour voters.

We only have to look at Frank Field MP to remind ourselves that there was once a time when Labour MPs consisted of a body of people, many of whom were actually electable.

Labour politics became part of the DNA of local communities which were solidly anti-tory and who would vote Labour as a family, generational thing. Thought was seldom part of voting.

These groups accepted the ‘liberal mindset’ – even if they entirely disagreed with it – a small price to pay to keep the Tories at bay. Now, that price has become too great.

Consider Thurcoft in S. Yorks. It is one of a number of former mining communities sending UKIP councillors to represent them on Rotherham Council. So many are starting to recognise that the Scargills, Blairs, Kinnocks, and especially the Corbyn’s of this world, are not representing the British working class in any way at all. (Ask Jonathan Arnott MEP to tell you about his father-in-law if you happen to run into him.)

Labour voters now see that these politicos have other agendas than what is best for them. They are beginning to spot the overweening hubris which has been the stock-in-trade of Labour politicians for a number of decades.

As a youngster, I could already see this sad process developing way back in the 60s. The penny has been slow to drop with many Labour voters, but latterly, huge numbers of working people are finally seeing what so many established Ukippers have known for a long time, ‘The working man or woman cannot be represented by Islington, dinner party liberal leftists’.

One extremely vital point to remember is how many of these voters are, by nature, non-Tory centre right. This grouping may even form a majority. They must be our principal target. Many northern Tories would obviously be able to accept that particular pitch from UKIP. Dyed-in-the-wool Lib Dems would hate both it and us. Win/win.

Offer these people honest policies which are equitable and UKIP can take enormous numbers of Labour votes.

Stop the immigration which is stealing so many of their jobs; punish the criminals who wreck their communities; reward honesty and decency; stop the lowlifes who milk the system; sort out the NHS on which they depend; ensure that their kids have the chance of a future etc, etc. These kinds of policies, explained so that all can understand, will attract many people higher up the social ladder too.

What happened in the Headland and Harbour Ward in Hartlepool can happen in many hundreds of others. Win Labour wards and you can start to take Labour constituencies! After all, Labour could not do much more to help us achieve victories than they are doing at present.

Respectfully, Les Arnott

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12 Comments on Letters to the Editor – Sunday, 11th December 2016

  1. If UKIP is to become anything other than “The Brexit Party” we have to stop worrying about Labour voters or Conservative voters and concentrate on our own common sense policies and talk about our vision of defense, overseas aid, the health service and foreign Policy (nobody denied that what Boris said about the Saudis but criticised the fact that he said it? If it is right then it should be said)
    We need to be talking about social justice, helping business to compete, helping new business’s and taking a lead in driving our economy. I am sure that if we debate scraping HST and spending that money on improving existing infrastructure Roads and Rail we will win votes from all the other parties. Scrap Hinkley, one of the reasons that Solar is so expensive is low level production if government set up a massive factory producing Solar products and Battery storage then,
    Installed them for free on all social housing (put up the rents say £15 per week)
    Installed on all government buildings, the cost price could be taken from the budget the users of that building over say 5 or 10 years
    Set up solar farms on government land.
    Change building regulations so that all new build have to incorporate solar
    Sell them to private homes and business’s at cost price.
    Sell them on the international market for a small profit.
    Insist that in 5 years time English will be the language used in all areas of public life schools, courts, benefits offices and anyone coming to live in the UK from the day that we get power will need to speak English, we are spending far to much money providing interpreters.
    These are just a few ideas I am sure there are many more.
    UKIP was bold enough to say leave the EU when all others said we could never win if just stand up for the things that are right, sensible and benefit the people then those people will vote for us irrespective of how they voted before.

  2. Speaking as an ex Tory I found Les’s letter easier to understand than Rhys’s, not least because wherever original Labour motivation started, by the 60’s it had morphed into socialism, by the 80’s into open conflict, was indelibly contaminated by Blair in the 00’s and by now gone so far away from its roots that it actually despises the very working people and their values that it was created for, yet still relies on the deeply engrained voting “herd” mentality that we in ukip want to target.
    I need more time to comprehend Rhys’s ideas but stopping all immigration means everyone. From abroad. Whether brain surgeon or dustman. Saying all is too blunt. And we already have an Australian equivalent immigration system. It just applies to everyone non EU.

    The common ground surely is around the values now held in contempt – looking after our own, the desire to work – rather than sponge? The issues that the current establishment describes as far right or far left, which to ukip like-minded grown-ups, are neither.

    Trying to rewind the Labour clock with anti Tory rhetoric is not just beyond pointless but actively damaging to ukip because here at least, I see UKIP’s greatest strength being the support from both sides, meeting and listening to each other, and realising that there is common ground.

    But I also see UKIP’s greatest weakness, still unresolved, being the organisation that runs it. That still avoids creating a system that gives opportunity for sensible member input into policy discussion. (And that organisation, DD, I suspect is the source of Farage’s comment)

    This Tory gave up with the conservatives because of Cameron and Everything he touched. A convictionless, wealthy, political spiv, playing the game because he could.

    Most Conservatives are not unaware of how their Party has changed and not for the better. Of the weaknesses – the remainers, dithery May, etc, the loss of direction after the Thatcher era, the politics of the Daily Mail/Express/Sunday Telegraph. It’s no accident that the Mail has the biggest circulation and is the most hated by the same political classes that we in ukip are trying to beat.

    The problem (or opportunity) now is that the average Tory is far more wary of the alternative. You can’t support working for a living while instinctively attacking capitalism. Or trying to turn the clock back. But exposing the “unacceptable face” of capitalism does work for most and presenting ukip as a balanced Party, well organised and genuinely approachable, might just be a start….. but to even begin to succeed, it has a long way to go and needs to build on common ground. IMHO. Enoch Powell meets Frank Field. I wonder what they would agree about. Probably rather more than either would expect.

  3. Very true, Iceni, and we’re not going to get anywhere by trying to out-Tory them.
    But we can appeal to both Labour and middle-earning Tories together if only we’d adopt the right radical and imaginative policies. Let’s hope the leadership have the wisdom to get it right this time.

  4. So, Nigel Farage says he is glad he is no longer in charge of the party as he was sick of working with ‘low grade members using him to advance their careers’. Really? Would this be the same people who tramped the streets canvassing and posting thousands of leaflets on his behalf?

    And a s for using him, I would suggest that although he also worked hard most of his energy was spent promoting himself, and it was he that used the party in the last couple of years for his own ends, as was proved when he suddenly dumped us.

    If he dislikes us so much I suggest he just leaves completely and carries on doing his own thing, leaving us to carry on doing ours which we do very well thank you very much Nigel!

    • I take these comment from Nigel with a large pinch of salt, though of course it must be hard to be blamed every time some minor branch official shoots his mouth off, Tory and Labour counterparts do this all the time, only if it’s a Ukiper does it make national headlines. He did very well, he’s gone, we now have a new leader, a larger, wider team and an extended range of policies. It will take many weeks before that hits the public conscience and meanwhile we continue to suffer the consequence of the actions of some few carpetbaggers who certainly did use the party as a vehicle for their own personal advancement. I very much doubt Paul will tolerate that sort of thing in future.
      As Ducks says, time to let Nigel do his own thing, he does deserve it. Meanwhile we will do ours. With due respect, UKIP is not HQ or even the NEC, its all those foot soldiers in the branches who work their feet to shreds during campaigns.
      Give us time and I’m convinced we have a great future, we do NOT need some sort of other group to take up the Brexit fight and that is not the only issue we must deal with.

      • Icini,

        Here! Here! Join us or be damned, everyone that wants Brexit really wants a true Brexit, needs to be with us as we are the only party that is going to fight for it!

        • DD how did the anti Brexit debate go?

          • Dee,

            Unfortunately, we ended up not being able to go due to a hiccup, I could have gone on my own but did not fancy it. My family were quite relieved and my ‘remainer’ labour card holding son said this: “It is a good job you did not go Mom, I suspect you may have kicked off and started a riot” And I have a horrible feeling he may have been right.

            Also, he said there most certainly would have been a lot of Momentum people there, so we may not have felt welcome, but hopefully there will be another one held at another university.

          • Dee,

            For your and anyone else’s interest if you want a bit of light reading the following link gives you what was said at the Anti Brexit Debate: http://www.UCL.ac.uk/political-science/news. (sorry do not know how to do links)!

            But anyway, I think I am glad I did not go it sounds like one big yawn!

    • Agreed Daffy.
      We owe Nigel so much and he probably won us the Referendum – but in terms of promoting us in elections the last couple of years I suspect he’s lost us votes.
      We live in hope!

  5. Even in Lincolnshire, the effects of unlimited mass immigration differ considerably from place to place.
    It is very hard for middle class people in unaffected areas to understand what’s going on in places like Boston for example. Nationally the picture is very similar. Immigration is not spread evenly over the country. This is combined with the illogical and very stupid loyalty of Tory voters whom will believe whatever their party tells them.

    Just as they believed Cameron”s claimed to be able to re-negotiate our deal with the EU, which won them the last election, they now cheerfully swallow May’s claims to be pro full Brexit. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Many of us in this county face huge Tory majorities and and a near extinct local Labour party, we live in miniature one party states. Even if we took every Labour vote cast last time, we could not overtake them.
    Our aim must be to attack the Tories, there is plenty of material to use, only in Northern Labour seats can the excellent policy to seek Labour votes work, though we will try to take any that are available, here in Conservative central. We need to demonstrate that supporting the Conservatives brings no advantages in their own guaranteed heartlands, it simply results in local problems being ignored by government, who are convinced they need not bother. They need to be kind to marginal areas, not safe seats.

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