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Letters to the Editor – Saturday 9th December 2017

As one might have suspected, today’s letters are about one issue only: Ms May’s capitulation to the EU yesterday morning. The first is from Mike Hookem MEP who does not mince his words:

Sir,

the transition deal demands as set out by Mr Tusk this morning (Friday 8th Dec) means nothing more than the UK becoming a client state of the EU. While the transitional deal is being marketed to the public as a two-year period, the consequences of such a move would potentially impact the UK for decades.

The devil is very much in the detail of Tusk’s demands.

Not only will we continue to pay into the EU during the transition period; follow all EU law; and continue to be governed by the ECJ, we will more crucially have to adopt any new EU legislation as a third-party state.

As a third-party state adopting these new EU laws, the UK will make international treaties, which could fall under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties and leave the UK open to legal challenges should we try to amend or make changes post-Brexit.

As the UK will not have a position at the table during the proposed two-year transition deal, the EU twenty-seven could introduce anything they liked into UK law. This would signal a complete capitulation to the EU, and it is the fault of our gutless Prime Minister, who, it seems, could not negotiate her way out of a paper bag. This situation would have massive ramifications for every aspect of life in the UK and could undermine any agreements made during the ‘divorce’ negotiations; as changes could be made later, during the transition period, once the UK has no say. The fact is, Donald Tusk’s proposals are ridiculous and unacceptable!

However, I have no faith that Mrs May has the strength of character push for a deal acceptable to the UK. May’s weakness so far has allowed the EU to walk all over the UK in the first phase of negotiations and I have little doubt this pattern will continue in the second round of talks.

Respectfully, Mike Hookem MEP

This surrender means we’re now allowed to have trade talks! Here are two letters on that issue, the first from our correspondent Septimus Octavius:

Sir,

The trade talks could be concluded in less than a minute.  The UK’s starting position must be that we want no change at all to the current free trade agreement after the UK has left the EU, the single market and the customs union.  If the EU does want any change to that arrangement, it must say exactly what it wants to change and in what way.  The EU must be shown to be the deviants from the outset if they really want a fight about it.

Respectfully, Septimus Octavius

The other letter is from our correspondent Roger Arthur:

Sir,

some say that we must have a trade agreement with the EU. But outside of the single market, EU/UK tariffs might be expected to average around 4%. Thus after Brexit, the U.K. would collect around £4bn pa extra – because our net imports from the EU have risen to around £100bn pa.

So what is it that we need to negotiate in terms of a trade agreement? The EU would presumably prefer a zero tariff – as would Eire.

Respectfully, Roger J. Arthur.

Our contributor Alan Wheatley sent us his remarks on the humiliating event yesterday morning:

Sir,

The only good thing to come out of the UK/EU agreement announced early this morning (Friday 8th Dec) in Brussels is that nothing irrevocable has been agreed. Reporters talk of decisions on difficult issues have been deferred. And if, indeed, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed time is available for UKIP to make an impact before we are stitched up but yet another Conservative Prime Minister.

Two notable things from the press conference were: (1) Theresa May still gives the impression of someone attempting to do something in which she does not believe; (2) May believes the ECJ will not have jurisdiction and Juncker thinks it will.

I read a much more encouraging report from Birmingham where Henry Bolton gave an impressive Leader’s performance and UKIP members packed the hall and went home happy. I hope that soon Nigel will return to a more prominent role in UKIP complementing Henry’s leadership role. I see them as the dynamic duo – a winning team.

Top priority for UKIP should be to develop and promote a strategy that will pressurise politicians to give us the BREXIT we voted for. The public debate desperately needs a strong UKIP input. Following the Referendum result the future point of UKIP was questioned. Now is the time to show the UK and the EU exactly what the BREXIT we voted for means.

Respectfully, Alan Wheatley – UKIP Member since 2003

And finally, we’re happy to publish this report from Paul Williams, UKIP Chairman Stafford Branch, on that meeting with Henry Bolton:

Sir,

Henry Bolton’s visit (6th Dec) was truly invigorating for all those that attended The Great Barr Hotel event.

During 4 hours of debate he never once deflected any question and tackled it head on with transparency and honesty.

He was keen to hear, learn and understand what the troops on the ground had to say in regards to their difficulties of running a branch from day to day and where he didn’t have the experience or knowledge he inquired further and made notes as he went along.

He spoke in great depth and detail of how he has had to rip apart a Party that really had little structure to it and until a few weeks ago was on the verge of insolvency.

He explained meticulously how he is rebuilding and putting together every building block that is needed for UKIP to become a major player in politics once again.

The concerns from many members was that all this was taking too long. Henry sympathised greatly with their frustrations but explained once again in detail that if we start shooting from the hip, the Party would be seen as a protest group, shot down in flames and would never be seen again.

He truly inspired all that were there to listen and learn. He gave us all great confidence and faith that the members had chosen the right man to lead UKIP on to greater things.

A big thank you for all those who attended, the room was filled to capacity.

Now let’s go out and give Henry the support he’s asked for with candidates in place for next years elections …

Respectfully, Paul Williams, UKIP Chairman Stafford Branch

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Vivian is a UKIP patron, Vice Chair of UKIP Cardiff and Editor in Chief of UKIP Daily

24 Comments on Letters to the Editor – Saturday 9th December 2017

  1. Is it time for UKIP to create a street demonstration “Brexit means Brexit”?

    The ‘Out now’ slogan could be reserved for Teresa May as PM.

  2. Will Bolton please get off his backside and do something. Apart from a brief appearance on question time he has been noticeable by his absence

  3. I have just composed a letter to my MP as follows:
    “Dear Member of Parliament,
    So much for Mrs May’s slogan ‘Brexit means Brexit. A more truthful slogan would be ‘Capitulation! Capitulation! Capitulation!’
    On 23 June 2016 over 17 million voters elected to leave the evil European Union – in fact the majority of constituencies voted to leave.
    The message sent by the voters was unambiguous – we wanted our country back; and if that meant leaving the jurisdiction of the ECJ, Single Market and Customs Union then so be it.
    As Mrs May and her Remainiac followers have chosen not to get the message perhaps it is time for all MPs to read, and inwardly digest, Oliver Cromwell’s speech to the House of Commons all those years ago – especially the bit where he said “…Ye have grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d…”
    So I ask; are you Members of Parliament going to ensure that our grievances are redressed, or are you so happy with Mrs May’s great Brexit Bretrayal, which apparently takes us out of the EU in name only, that you roll over and allow the duplicitous Remainiac Civil Servants and Members of Parliament to sell us back into the EU, again?
    Beware! If the Tories take us for fools yet again they could end up with the order of the boot for a very long time.
    Yours sincerely,
    A Voter”

  4. If there was a likelihood that we (UKIP) would be able to achieve even a single minor change in respect of May’s agreement as announced then I would say that yes, we should try, to but anyone who thinks that we can, or might, is I’m afraid deluded. Gerard clearly laid bare the deception that was to be practiced upon us but I simply don’t remember UKIP’s Generals doing anything other than standing back and admiring his work. Was there ever a chance of our MEPs banding together as a unit and bringing the likely outcome to anyone’s attention? If there was – I will humbly apologise. There are many faults and omissions in UKIP’s performance over the past 2 years – in respect of the referendum alone – that could be challenged but it’s too late now. When Kier Starmer mentioned on BBC Radio over 6 weeks ago that he was hoping for a new agreement that lasted 30 years, no one questioned him. What did he mean ? Now we know. We will be well and truly back in the fold come 2050. It’s ironic that as of this date – we are truly Les Miserables.

  5. I would like to compliment all five writers on their letters.

    I agree with Mike’s strong analysis, the tactical approach of Septimus, Roger’s logic, Alan’s thoughtful remarks, and Paul’s call for full support for our elected leader.

    Regardless of whom members voted for in the election, Henry and his team deserve all our best efforts to help them to both build a strong and effective UKIP. They need to be helped to give their best shot at harnessing and weaponising the strength of the palpable outrage of betrayed ‘leavers’.

    And, at the moment, it appears that UKIP is the only show in town.

  6. As Mike Hookem….is he our only MEP? ……..points out, now the best deal for UK is definitely NO DEAL .
    Clause 49, that someone above says was wrtten by them for Mrs Maybe, is such gobbledegook it could mean we are trapped in transition forever. We are being stitched up by vichyite Tories again.
    How right our other MEP, Gerard Batten, was to say don’t get into article 50, it’s a trap. Too late now.

  7. Let’s think a bit. But disconnected thoughts.

    She’s bought herself time. But we’ve got it too.

    Henry’s learning the spiel, and getting better as a figurehead every day.

    The rest of the party is as it’s always been, except for some sensible administrative improvements. (or at least as far as I personally can see ).

    What exactly has been ripped up.

    We are still ignored. Why wouldn’t we be? We haven’t anything interesting to say.

    What exactly is the official organ of the party? Is there one that everyone reads. I’ve heard mention of Facebook, But it can’t be that.

    Are there any instructions from above ? Nearly 100 days( well 70 ) now.

    Strangling badgers was good. As was selling your house. Although, I feel, unnecessary. But any publicity etc.

    It appears that Henry believes our aim either is, or is pretending, to become a complete political party.
    This would be because of those who joined for personal political ambition and therefore are not to be trusted.

    I’d better stop here as this comment’s growing.

    Anyway no need for gloom. We have many many options. and a little time.

    • The official organ of the party is ‘Independence’ magazine that they still insist on sending hard copies to everyone, even if you don’t want a hard copy.

      The party also has http://www.ukip.org as its official website. Its ‘bog roll’ format doesn’t help it escape the look of a stream of consciousness.

      There is also a Facebook and Twitter feed, but if you have ukip.org you will have all the content.

      • What hard copy of ‘Independence’ are you referring to? The only time I get one is when there’s a leadership election. Mind, I don’t get anything electronically either.

        • That’s the official organ where all election announcements are made. I believe it costs around £30k every time to produce so they have to do it at election times to kill two birds. There is no option to save the party money and receive it electronically.

  8. Paul Williams. Thank you, I entirely agree but even if I prefered someone else to lead, it should be clear to anyone except a complete numpty that if Henry fails, we all do and UKIP will be finished. He deserves and needs unqualifies support from us all, the time to pick nits and second guess the leadership will be after we are a viable party again, not now.
    As my old grandma used to say, at this time “if you can’t say anything nice just keep quiet”.
    Paul Foyster. Chairman UKIP South Holland and the Deepings.

  9. Unusually condescending Viv:

    You’ve heard of the BBC “Daily Politics”?
    – Yes, but that’s on when those of us that work are doing just that.

    Various local TV stations
    – Cant get Manchester (? Insert as appropriate Englandshire city) TV here in Scotland. Keep seeing plenty SNP though.

    It might be worth recalling that it’s the Broadcasters which invite people onto their programmes. They cannot invite themselves ….
    – and they don’t. Clearly a nonentity in their eyes. It’s confirmed because I repeat, I have seen nothing of him, but HAVE seen a certain Nigel Farage who is at least getting a UKIP message out.

    Herny ain’t the Messiah you may want him to be outside the Shires.

    • Condescending – moi?
      Here’s some more condescending from me: you’ve heard of iPlayer?
      Yes, Nigel is getting a UKIP message out – from his platforms: the EU Parliament and his LBC show. Is there anything wrong with that?
      And too right Henry ain’t the Messiah – AFAIK, he’s been Up North last week, visiting local branches and listening to the members. But I suspect that’s also not good enough, nothing will ever be, will it!

    • Bisc. Try the Derby Telegraph. Here: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/derby-asylum-seeker-who-helped-894161
      Strangly the MSM don’t want such a reasonable and logical man on TV or in the papers. It may damage the “nasty” image of us they have worked so hard to cultivate.

    • Ranting at Viv and being sarcastic doesn’t really serve us very well.

      I voted for Henry but have, since, had serious doubts about whether he is the right leader after all. Nonetheless, as Icini has pointed out on numerous occasions, Henry is the leader we have and we must try to support him.

      I entirely agree with Icini that the party would be unlikely to survive another leadership contest. UKIP is needed now more than ever and somehow we do need to try to get that message out. We can best do that by pulling together.

      Of course, Henry’s quieter approach might be just what the Party needs – that remains to be seen. Constantly criticising him merely reflects badly on UKIP and doesn’t help to inspire potential supporters/voters.

      It’s the season of peace and goodwill so let’s direct some of that towards Henry. You never know, it might just pay off.

      • I disagree, I think the only way to revive the party is for it first to collapse and to shed the donor-ocracy. Then to really relaunch it with a new name, Independents, and a new model, which is truly member-based with policy made by members. Just changing the leader won’t help.

        • Well, let’s face it Graham, you’ve had it in for Henry from the beginning. To my knowledge, there is a new party on the bloc which would no doubt suit you admirably.

          • Actually my view is that HB was the best of a bad bunch. Nobody else in that list could do better. But as Diane James said, the donors and their agents block all reform. They threw Nuttall to the wolves by making him stand at Stoke in return for a donation. They scare away all the talent and leave us with a Hobson’s choice for leader. And I have no interest in messianic personality cults thank you.

  10. I can’t wait to see what demands the EU make regarding the ‘trade talks’ and how many of them May will meekly agree to. Presumably these demands will involve staying in the internal market and customs union.
    May is showing how weak she is by trying to appease all sides, whatever happened to her “strong and stable” mantra?
    What these negotations need is someone with a spine, willing to talk tough with the EU and show them up for the undemocratic bully-boys that they are.

  11. Haven’t we seen this before!

    A British politician coming back from Germany waving a piece of paper.

    It’s probably the same piece of paper venerated by our civil serpents

    • It’s worse. Henry, who’s worked in the UE, said he recognised the language in which that piece had been rite, and it was obviously done in brussels by the Eurocrats. For us – wasn’t that kind of them …

      • Viv. Henry? Henry? Oh, Henry Boltedinto-Leadership.

        Never on the TV these days, despite he used to be a famous actor you know – Harpo Marx.

        • You’ve heard of the BBC? Perhaps of that show they run every day, called (naturally) “Daily Politics”? He was on that yesterday … ah, I forgot, that’s not good enough … and the various local TV stations he was on – nah, forget it.
          It might be worth recalling that it’s the Broadcasters (BBC, SKY, ITV and the rest) which invite people onto their programmes. They cannot invite themselves …. well ok, unless you were Alistair Campbell in Blair’s government …

      • Almost as good as the mail’s ” yuman rites “.

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