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Dee’s Open Letter to UKIP Members

Dear members and fellow UKIPpers

We will shortly be receiving our ballot papers and will be taking a decision as to who we would like to see leading UKIP forward. You all know who I support, and maybe this has coloured my observations, but I hope you might give me the benefit of the doubt as to the impartiality of this article!

It isn’t an exaggeration to say this will be the defining moment for UKIP, and it seems there is a fundamental difference among members as to how we would like the Party to go forward into the future, which has crystallized suddenly and starkly owing to a single event that has recently faced UKIP, and what have been the reactions to it. That event has been the cancellation, owing to threats, of the Young Independent Conference last  weekend.

This is Britain, where apparently we still have the right to peacefully convene, to meet and go about our business as long as it is lawfully conducted. Except, apparently, in the case of the UKIP Young Independents (YI).   As we all know, their event was shut down, cancelled at the last minute because the hotel hosting the venue received threats, not just to the venue itself but apparently to the staff that worked there. It seems to be the case that the hotel felt, rightly, that it couldn’t guarantee the safety of its staff.

I gather that the organizers tried four separate venues, and all those venues also felt unable to host the YI – not because the YI posed any threat or were doing anything illegal but because of threats and intimidation to those venues as well, from groups opposing the YI. Even their evening social event was affected, to the venue owners distress – she couldn’t afford to risk having her boat smashed up.

I was expecting our YI to be robustly supported not just by our interim Leader but by our Chairman and everyone who has been outspoken in the media recently where they have talked about the dangers of fascism.   Gerard Batten MEP posted his outrage on Twitter, but that was all I’ve seen, though I may have missed comments from others on Facebook, which I don’t follow.

When commenters on UKIP Daily asked why Mr Crowther had been silent, as far as anyone could find out, the comments were revealing. Some members thought the YI had only themselves to blame, because of their choice of fashion and haircuts – some thought the choice of venue and even of that city weren’t a good idea, knowing how the rabid left behave.   Apparently the choice of a speaker labeled by others as neo-Nazi (he’s not alone there, so have some of us been, memorably and publicly!) was the trouble, and there was also a comment that if AMW was elected leader this behaviour from the fascist left would be the norm. These comments contrasted quite starkly with the palpable anger and outrage of others, who felt UKIP should have confronted the threat, or at least called it out.

As far as I’m concerned it isn’t the choice of fashion, venue, city or speaker that should matter – I personally very much applaud Generation Identitaire for their attempt to regain a future that not long ago they would never have had to fight for – it’s the implication that the fault for all this lies with the YI.   Surely the fact that threats, which must have been extremely serious, had been made to all the venues and the staff working there should have been our major concern. This was fascism in action and should have been called out as such by our interim Leader or Chairman, who surely should have asked the Police to do what they keep saying they do  – police ‘hate speech’.  As far as I know, no-one has asked – if they have, we haven’t been told.   More significant, what did our Leadership candidates have to say – if anything? I have no idea.

In the USA Antifa have recently been proscribed but only because ordinary people – not so-called far right, just ordinary people like us – were brave enough to stand up to their brutal bullying tactics, continuing to meet and march and show Antifa up for the vicious thugs and bullies they actually were.

Judging from the very different comments on UKIP Daily, some would have liked UKIP to do the same – some thought we shouldn’t have been put in the position we were.

The lesson I take from all this is that there are some in the Party who would like UKIP to take an uncontroversial direction and seek to be more mainstream, with a softer approach – it’s a perfectly valid stance, and one particular vision of a future UKIP.

Others would like UKIP to take a more muscular stance – free to speak out, or host whatever speakers they want to hear  – confident they will have the support of a Leader who will defend their right to do so, which right does still currently exist in Britain.

Might it be impossible for these groups to come together post election because their aims and objectives are so different? If that is so I hope that whichever Leader the members choose, those who are disappointed will either give the new UKIP a try or leave quietly and give the newly chosen Leader a chance to pursue their chosen way forward, as they will have been given a mandate to do so. I believe UKIP deserves to be given the chance to sink or swim without let or hindrance, whichever direction it takes.

Yours sincerely, Dee


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36 Comments on Dee’s Open Letter to UKIP Members

  1. The established political class has given away our money, our country, our culture, our freedom of speech, our law and our Judeo Christian religion, as we all know well by now.

    I see no room for another set of politicians who will do more of the same through a misguided belief that omelettes can be created by not breaking the eggs first.

    The truth needs to be broken now to the public. The party already has the political platform, wobbly though it may be at present, which no amount of Youtubers, Tweeters, marchers or writers have singly at their disposal; influential though they undoubtedly are, their influence is not sufficiently widespread. We should incorporate their numbers and try to gather them into the fold of a mutual endorsement.

    Bt the way, even the Guardian has now written on FGM.
    The time is ripe.

  2. If Mr Dee had looked harder, he would have seen this on JRE for Leader:

    “I’m really saddened to hear this, I was very much looking forward to speaking to YI, some of our most dedicated and hardworking members, who I wish to take a lead, especially in media production. Disappointing to hear some candidates again capitulating to the left and the mainstream media. We will never be relevant if we allow them to dictate the terms of debate. Whats more, we don’t have to let them.”

    This election is about electing a leader who will lead from the front and take the battle to the enemy; I’ve been utterly disgusted with the poor response from the other candidates, in particular, one who implicitly indicated that under her ‘leadership’, UKIP would appease the criminal unpatriotic filth, funded by nation-wrecking globalists, by trying hard not to provoke them.

    • Not everyone does Facebook, as I mentioned, Forthurst! I follow John on Twitter, and if there was something there, I missed it.

      • You have just proved a point I have made above, Dee.
        Social media only carries so far!
        I know you are active on Twitter btw and I don’t do Facebook either.

        • Because I can’t get out and about and go on marches, Eliza, I decided that the only thing I could do was whatever possible on Twitter! i tend to try and educate, so I expect a ban any day soon!

      • “Shocking news that the YI Conf. had to be cancelled. We must NOT capitulate to the left or the MSM. Disappointed in some candidates (again).” Sept 1st tweet

        Unfortunately, without Facebook, it may not be possible to follow the great thoughts and doings of the UKIP great and good.

  3. I would like to say that I strongly believe that UKIP cannot have the ‘same old same old’ and have meaningful survival. It just will not happen. Whatever way you look there is confrontation because there are so many very basic issues that are wrong. I know that there are many good and committed people with different skill sets but, in my mind, it is not just about who I would support but who I wouldn’t support. To be a little negative for the sake of a different perspective is a worthy exercise.
    First, MEP’s represent UKIP’s fight against the EU, that fight is ongoing, they still have an important job to do for those people who voted for them. Consequently, where MEP’s have been synonymous with the leadership, the centre of gravity of UKIP has to, and is, moving on. It is important to keep ranks. New blood is needed, this not a criticism of what MEP’s have done, are doing, or importantly, still have to do.
    Secondly, there have been a number of personal attacks. It is not a question of naming and shaming those who have made personal attacks. Whatever their reasons for doing so, these are people, are committed to the party and have immense courage and ability. Surely UKIP should be inclusive and we cannot be oblivious to the human condition and start getting all judgemental. Never-the less, attacking other candidates is always a mistake because the correct attitude is to always look to your own performance and argument. That then, for whatever reason, becomes a fatal mistake in this scenario, and precludes the ‘unity’ challenge.
    On the more positive perspective of why I would support a candidate. Representing people’s concerns will be crucial to membership. UKIP will not be popular with Momentum, Antifa etc. Exiting the EU will not solve the problems in this country. Time is not on our side. To my mind erosion of democracy and freedom, also the threats to our culture are top issues. With regard to the erosion of culture, the subject of Islam, although not the only cause must be the main cause and with the most potential to do damage. So considering these points, being radical and controversial is not only inevitable, but essential to UKIP’s purpose. Then when I consider the leadership election I just join up those dots to narrow it down. Thanks Dee.

    • To answer the question I would say no, it is not impossible to be unified. We need only to, and must, wake up to what is happening.

  4. I’ve gone to the Police on 101 about this, because I believe at least one venue has been threatened if they hosted the YI conference.
    However, I’m also advised that there was internal (i.e. from within UKIP) sabotage…
    This isn’t quite over yet.

    • Internal sabotage -“WOW”
      I look forward to exposure

    • Freddy, bless you. You are a star. So is our ‘interim Leader looking into this? If not, why not? Did he, and the Chairman, really think that we, the members, just say ‘oh well never mind’. Perhaps he mis-understood andmtbought we would all be thinking along the lines of Mr. McWhirter – he doesn’t know us very well!

      On the plus side, we know a lot more about all the Leadership candidates who, without standing up at a Hustings and pontificating, told us all a great deal. Actions speak louder than words! How very true!

      • Why on earth would the leadership wash any internal dirty linen here, Dee?

        • Because we are entitled to know for what reason this inaction, or rather, as John said in his article, caving in to bullies and thugs which has left all UKIP members, it isn’t too dramatic to say, in danger of facing thuggery at future meetings like the Conference, was taken, Rob. And if the reason was something to do with someone inside UKIP, then, however unpalatable, we should be told. This doesn’t just affect UKIP’s good name – this has the potential to severely limit and eventually stop UKIP going forward in the future – which, of course, is the aim of the fascist left.

          • You may be entitled to know the result of a potential disciplinary, Dee, but NOT until it us over!

            “AA.6.3 Party members shall refrain from commenting on cases in Party meetings or in public while disciplinary proceedings are pending. The Disciplinary Panel may invoke disciplinary proceedings against any member it considers to have breached this requirement”. 🤓

          • Cynthia Wentworth-Howe: I’m Cynthia Wentworth-Howe, Top Hush Secretary to the Minister.
            John Steed: How do you do?
            Emma Peel: Top Hush?
            Cynthia Wentworth-Howe: We assistants come in four grades: ‘Confidential’, ‘Secret’, ‘Most Secret’ and ‘Top Hush’.
            John Steed: Eh, you’ve reached the top of your profession, then?
            Cynthia Wentworth-Howe: Not quite. My ultimate ambition is to achieve the special category of ‘Button Lip’, the pinnacle of secrecy. Not a single syllable passed on before being vetted, examined, coded and cleared.


          • Hi Rob, then the least that should happen is a short statement on here from our so called interim Leader k- and if either any of the candidates (which I doubt) or someone in the top team are in some way responsible, they should be expelled and we should know they have been. We don’t need to know the details.

          • Sorry, the k appeared by itself, ed!

    • Freddy,

      This is very worrying if the higher echelons of the party are not supporting YI but actively working against them, then we need to know who they are and why they are doing it.

  5. Well said Dee, there is a silent majority of people who are rightly concerned with how things are progressing, whether it is political correctness, liberal-left dogma, or just a general failure of our elected politicians failing to represent the people.

    If UKIP seeks to become an ‘establishment’ mainstream party, like LibLabCon and just softly tip-toe around the ‘big issues’ or worse, pretend they don’t exist, it will be doomed.

    We need an alternative party that will listen to – and act on the concerns of – the silent oppressed majority, rather than trying to appease the pandered-to minorities.

  6. A worrying aspect of this election, given the number of candidates, is that whoever wins is likely to do so on a very small proportion of the overall vote. Those who did not choose the winner are likely to be aggrieved and protest, thus further damaging whatever is left of the party.
    Perhaps we should all agree right now, that we either we fully support the new leader, whoever it is, or leave and join an alternative group/party. I’m looking forward to the result now, after so much uncertainty at least we will all know exactly what our party stands for these days. Our inability to explain that simple fact or even to thus honestly campaign has cost us many votes.

  7. Thank you everyone for your kind comments. I find this election terrifying, because, I would imagine like many others, I have never been a Political Party joiner before – and the UKIP I thought I joined turns out to be far more split than I had ever realized before the episode of the Young Independents.

    I’m not entirely confident that should a miracle happen and my hoped-for outcome prevails, those opposed to it won’t try and wreck the Party altogether – I fear they might. I hope I do them an injustice, but if recent behavior is anything to go by, my fears could be justified. But I know we folk on here will accept the result – because we all know this is the defining moment for UKIP.

    Whatever happens in September none of us who post on here will give up the fight, I’m sure of that ! Perhaps though, it won’t be in UKIP.

  8. What sort of answer is that Rob?
    Who the hell are UKIP United?
    Are you referring to the silent ones, those who hide behind the rules and regulations.
    In this case their version of “`elf and safety”
    To coin a phrase (heard on BBC QT) “it`s disgustin`”
    I`m back to feeling I should vote for the candidate most committed to clear out the Augean Stables of our local swamp folk.

    Well said Dee!

  9. Back in April the same thing happened to the venue our local branch had booked, to hear AMW. Fortunately we found an alternative.

    And Rob’s correct. We now know how “ukip united” feel about it. Begs the question how long before hnh or whoever target any or every ukip get-together? Does the conference have to be cancelled before the implications sink in? Or did someone from uu make the calls??

    I’m with D. Time to be radical. Blow the doors off and take them on. Hope we’re not too
    Late. And hope as well that the losers in this defining vote back off gracefully. The last thing this party needs is yet more internal dissent.

    Best wishes to all candidates. May the best one win.

  10. Absolutely right Dee. I couldn’t put the state of the case better.

  11. Firstly many thanks for this ‘thread’ Dee. Your contributions to UKIP – or at least the part that I know about always give me hope for happier times. I have said it before but I will say it again – you are a star and I hope I would be saying that no matter the stance you take.
    1830 Birth of Chartist Movement – object universal male suffrage
    1842 The Year of the Great Protests inc some violent clashes. Some great advocates esp Irishmen Feargus O’Connor and Daniel O’Connell
    1848 The Great Petition handed to Parliament.
    Chartism splits between the Moral Force led by Welshman Ernest Jones who advocated Christian Principles and Persuasion; and those who advocated the shock tactics of Strikes and Protests ( similar to how the Suffragettes acted in the 20thC).
    The Moral Force won but despite the Suffrage Act of 1867 it was not till 1919 that all men over 21yrs had the vote as a right ( and women had to wait for parity a further 8 years).
    90 years is a long time to wait!
    Will UKIP split between the economic radicals and the social radicals? (Timorous names I accept).The former concentrating upon gradual liberal agendas and the latter attempting to replace the liebour party in its strongholds where islame is perceived as a threat?
    In either event UKIP is going to face a much more difficult challenge than BREXIT and we do not have 90 years.

    • One further comment – the fashion for a certain hairstyle amongst young men is simply that a fashion. Nobody is aping Adolf’s hairstyle nor that of the nazi party simply because there are not many ways you can have short hair on your head – if you are male!The use of red white and black on flags and that colour scheme has at least two other sources of ‘inspiration’, these are the traditional colours of the Vikings -eg black raven on white with red background; and/or the Christian flag of Germany white cross edged in black on red background ( modern version uses yellow instead of white). Also red black and white are the colours of England;s best selling regional flag – that of the Black Country!( many thanks Gracie Sheppard)

    • Well now CK. If I talk about the Chartists you call me a socialisat, and you’ved proved elsewhere you haven’t a clue what Keynesianism is, so please do us all a favour and stop lowering the standard on here, which does UKIP no favours.
      You don’t even live in the country you claim to love so much and you aren’t a member, so please understand how those of us who do/are are likely to think about that.

      Yes Viv I know you don’t approve of this sort of comment, but it has to be said.

      • I live in England and I am a member of UKIP.
        I find your comments insulting but more importantly immensely stupid.
        If I don’t live in the UK where according to you do I live and if possible what proof do you offer Daily Ukip readers?

  12. Thanks for your thoughts, Dee. I know you don’t like it, but at least you now know what UKIP United think…

    • I don’t like it, Rob, but my point is that the ways forward are so very different that either one group or they other may find the new UKIP isn’t for them – but trying to change it shouldn’t be an option from when a new Leader takes over. That will ensure failure.

      • If you are saying that after the election, those that remain members should all accept the result, I’m bound to agree. Only a united party can succeed.
        My main concern is that we should concentrate on being a viable alternative and winning elections, not on expressing our anger on our pet subject. Only threatening those in power or being in power ourselves will achieve anything. It was the element of threat that got us the referendum. It no longer exists and we have lost many councillors, so no power either, we now have little influence. This has to change or there is little point in our existence.

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