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Basingstoke Meeting on Thursday 7th September 2017, Guest speakers: David Kurten and Anne Marie Waters

- Minutes of the Basingstoke Branch Meeting -

 

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1 IntroductionThe Chairman Alan Stone welcomed members and guests. There being no AOB, AS invited the guests to make a fifteen minute speech:
2 David KurtenDK was pleased to report good turnouts at the thirty such meetings that he had already addressed. As a member of the London Assembly, he remained convinced that the fight for Brexit was by no means over. Opponents included Umunna, Blair, Khan, with Rudd and Green showing ‘softness’. Thus, there was a need for Ukip to help keep the eye on the ballDK posed the question “What do we want as a party?” Distinctive policies were required, especially as the Tories were no longer true Conservatives. He outlined two main aims:

  1. Education. Having spent twenty years as a teacher, DK was able to highlight the lack of skills training to do the jobs currently required. As a result, there had been reliance on foreigners to undertake various jobs. He referred to the 40,000 vacancies in the NHS, where the job of nurse had become a degree-only rôle. Education had been taken over by the hard left and had been dumbed down. Also, parents were becoming alarmed at, for example, emphasis of transgender and the like. Millions were wanting someone to stand up to such ideology
  2. Fiscal. DK wanted Ukip to be the party of financial and fiscal responsibility to address the waste in areas such as overseas development, wind farms etc. All the while, the police, NHS and national debt were being neglected

In summary, DK firmly stated that the country needed someone proud to represent the nation.

AS invited questions:
“How do we get Ukip on the map?” A team of experts will be required

“Some classrooms have children speaking up to 27 languages” English must be the only language spoken

“ Name your greatest achievement in the London Assembly”. DK said that he had raised two motions to get the Mayor to deal with Hezbollah flag-raising at an Al Quds Day march. Eventually, the Mayor did write to Amber Rudd

“Why should I renew membership?” DK was sympathetic, saying that thousands were holding judgment, waiting for the new leader to be announced. Ukip was not just about Brexit. The party did have policies but continued to face cultural Marxists in the Government and institutions; it had to get the country free from the tyranny within.

3 Anne Marie WatersAMW opened with a reference to a story in the Birmingham Post that talked about the ‘controversial Ukip candidate’. Controversy was what the party needed, not a ‘vanilla party of well-rehearsed lines’. Nigel Farage had successfully won the hearts through his oratory and there was a continued need to get press attention and to gain people’s trust. AMW outlined specific policy requirements:

  1. Brexit. From Day 1, a strategy team was required to counter the manipulation and mis-information and political arrogance, not least by the EU and its anti-democratic supporters
  2. Law & Order. 2-tier, racialised policing had contributed to a breakdown. It would be a priority to get rid of the recommendations of the Macphersons report; it was important to have ‘colour-blind and not subjective policing’. Furthermore, the CPS must be answerable if certain crimes were not prosecuted
  3. NHS. Talk of privatisation had affected Ukip’s chances. AMW re-iterated the need to keep the traditional NHS but with major reforms. The organisation was haemorrhaging money particularly on managers and consultants. The NHS was currently being run by hard-left idealogues. Health tourism remained a major concern
  4. Education. The NUT was Marxist-run, influencing and brain-washing children saying for example, that multi-culturalism and open borders were ‘inevitable’. Instead of children being taught about British culture, they were being shown the ‘importance of international cultures’.
  5. Immigration. The topic had to return to the top of the agenda. The jobs and housing needs of the UK’s native people were being trampled upon. Oversupply of unskilled labour had led to a drop in wages
  6. Ukip and society. There was a great need for open debate in order to know and make clear its direction. Intimidation and manipulation by the press had to be got rid of. Ukip needed to be clear on its policies to grab attention
  7. Migration.  It was essential to be able to talk openly and without fear about the massive movement to Europe by peoples, often with primitive beliefs and illiterate even in their own country. Some, for example, had a hatred of Jews whilst, in Germany and Sweden, there was a rape crisis which had also emerged in Britain. AMW was concerned that similar events in Germany and France would emerge in the UK, even after Brexit. The EU would continue to be a thorn – Ukip would need to ally with pro-Brexit states.

AS invited questions:
“Should citizenship be granted only to blood/born relatives”  AMW stated that a new immigration policy was required. Australia, even with its points-based, had encountered significant problems with, for example, Somalia and FGM

“Could instances of crime invalidate a granted citizenship?” AMW did not feel that a crime would deny such a grant

“Could the UK population be fixed/reduced?”  Immigration could be formally ceased from specific countries

AMW emphasised the need for commonsense particularly with cultures at odds with ours. She mentioned the irony of Morocco and its recent outward migration – a country, which welcomes UK holiday-makers!

4 General questions“What is your greatest weakness?”  DK – not a fan of conflict. AMW – disorganised and impatient

“Where and how will you get the policies that are needed?” AMW replied that a conference would be essential within the first 100 days, with the membership actively participating and voting on policies. It would be vital for people to step up and debate. DK added that a policy unit would be required. He also said that he believed branches should keep 20% of subscriptions

“Should restrictions be applied to non-EU immigration?”  DK believed that tariffs harmed and prevented, for example, some African countries from developing exports

“Should we withdraw from the Paris Climate Change agreement?”  DH gave an emphatic yes. Joining the agreement would inevitably lead to further, annual contributions just so, for example, South America could buy solar panels without any benefit to the UK. AMW agreed

“As Ukip leader, would you ban Saudi funding of UK mosque-building, if we cannot build churches in Saudi Arabia?” AMW said that we should be passionate, despite difficulties, in opposing unacceptable practices. DK agreed and gave Qatar as a further example, saying that ’culture was more important than money’.

“What are your views on the Armed Forces?” AMW believed that the percentage of GDP applied to the Forces should be raised, not least by removing the Foreign Aid budget; it was a major priority. DK believed that professionals (e.g those retired from senior positions in the Forces) should make policy rather than just the Civil Service

“Has the PC brigade stifled free speech?”  AMW highlighted the incredible level of bullying, intimidation and insidious subliminal arrogance that faced the nation

“Should foreign companies continue to be allowed to buy up UK companies?”  DK said that there had been much good inward investment such as Toyota, Tata etc but acknowledged the concern

“Should there be a fresh ‘Buy British’ policy?”  AMW believed strongly on an internal economy
A member highlighted the cessation of morning assemblies in certain schools. The meeting agreed that this was unacceptable in this Christian country
DK noted that 2.7m citizenships had been granted in recent years

Summarising…
AMW wanted the UK to get on the Trump-effect train. It was important to tell the truth, as there was a movement toward truth-telling politicians. She concluded by saying that she was proud to be called controversial
DK praised Ukip’s efforts, not least with the Referendum but with, for example, the rejection of TTIP. We had to stand up and reject political correctness

Hugh Sawyer 8th September 2017

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7 Comments on Basingstoke Meeting on Thursday 7th September 2017, Guest speakers: David Kurten and Anne Marie Waters

  1. AMW for leader or at least a senior position in policy making. Otherwise UKIP will continue to be ineffective to the detriment of our country.

  2. A Moment.
    Harrabin made much of it after the 5pm news on Radio 4 this afternoon.
    As I understood it, what he was waxing on about so eloquently was that they had had surprising figures quoted for the cost of electricity generated off shore in those awful wind farms, it appears a figure of around 57 per unit was quoted whereas we all know Hinckley point is going to be guaranteed 92 (sorry can`t remember the unit per)
    and apparently land generated is a lot less than 54, only real problem is they can`t store it.(yet?)
    Apparently costs have come down by leaps and bounds – construction – use of water hotels , blade shapes have been refined etc.
    It is not expected that wind can provide too much of a fraction that Nuclear could, but when you add in other alternatives like wave power, solar panels etc rapid steps towards some sort of cumulative effect are happening, sufficient for Mr.Harrabin to call it a “Moment”.
    Perhaps David Kurteen is being a bit too previous with his dislike of wind power.
    Apparently the nuclearists are really paying attention and getting worried?
    What a wonderful saving – No more Nuclear, get rid of HS2 and we would really be on the way to balancing the books and not having our future in French or Chinese hands.

    • “…not having our future in French or Chinese hands.”

      An absolute necessity; if political initiatives fail then we must resort to the tactics of the ladies of Greenham Common and disrupt construction.

  3. “another expensive conference within 100 days to develop a manifesto…..too late the council elections are in May”

    Hang on, the conference is end of September, 100 days from that we are only into January? Or am I being thick?

  4. Several candidates want a different system of creating policy.

    These seem to contravene the constitution which states that policy is decided by the NEC. (I have quoted the clauses in another post.)

    As far as I can tell, to make these changes requires that the NEC agrees or 20 branches propose, and then the membership votes 60% in favour.

    On DK’s desire for a policy unit, does UKIP not have one? It is a required item in the constitution: 6.7 The NEC shall establish standing subcommittees for policy,…

  5. I note nothing about the members, nothing about re engaging them and encouraging them to get out on the streets, apart from another expensive conference within 100 days to develop a manifesto…..too late the council elections are in May.

    Nothing about financing the party, nothing about reformation of the structure, internal communication or increasing membership……

    All great apsirations, without a party…no chance

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